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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Thin and bland - culprits?
« on: January 13, 2016, 11:21:45 AM »
I have to agree with Beersk. Fined beers, do taste different than just lagered beers. Lets step back though first, to cover the bases.

Chill haze is formed when the beer is cooled, most times around 32-35F, and a haze forms. The colder the beer, the more pronounced the haze becomes. This is due to weak hydrogen bond between polyphenols and protein. As the beer cools the polyphenols are attracted to the protein molecules and attach themselves, the two compounds together make a particle large enough to defuse light, which can be seen. As the beer warms back up to room temperature, the bond is broken and the haze goes away. The two separate molecules are now invisible. If this cooling and warming cycle happens often enough, it cause permanent haze.

Polyphenols are in all wort and occur naturally in barley. Most of the polyphenols are extracted from the grain during the mashing process and the amount extracted can vary based on temperature and pH. All beer contains polyphenols to one level or another. Excessive proteins can also contribute to chill haze as proteins can start to coagulate as the beer is chilled, not to mention it can give polyphenols more protein molecules to create a visible bond.

Yeast haze is pretty simple to understand, it is yeast that has not yet flocculated from the beer and light is being defused by the yeast particles. The suspended yeast may be desirable in some beers like a Hefeweizen, but it most cases it is undesirable and can a harsh flavor component to the beer.

Another obvious form of turbidity is floating particles. Everything from trub to hops can be floating around the beer.

So, with that being said... Filtering and Fining. But really, clear beer starts in the mash tun(hint: second paragraph). We will leave that for another day.


Gelatin(in this example above)- Gelatin is a collagen protein derived from animal by-products and has a strong negative charge. When introduced into chilled beer it will bond with the positively charged yeast and proteins. Since the beer is cold, the gelatin will become gelatinous (what a surprise) and grab the yeast and some of the proteins and drop to the bottom.

So here is the reason, I explained the above about haze and whatnot:

You have to add your 1+1 here. This line:
Since the beer is cold, the gelatin will become gelatinous (what a surprise) and grab the yeast and some of the proteins and drop to the bottom.
We know this right? This is our given...Gelatin Makes clear beer, However...

What else do we have bound to the proteins at this point? Thats right, polyphenols. What are polyphenols? Flavor. SO, by grabbing these molecules using a "bond" instead of just degassing co2, and allowing the beer to do its thing naturally. I believe you do take a hit, at least thats my unscientific theory.  ;D

I'm following so far. Maybe I'm missing something, but aside from the time required to achieve the same level of clarity, how does this differ from cold-conditioning and letting the same particles drop out on their own? Just throwing this out for debate, I have no skin in the game either way.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2015 Hop crop
« on: January 13, 2016, 11:09:22 AM »
As I mentioned, I contacted a guy I know who's the CEO of YCH.  Drew and I will have more on next week's podcast, but here's a brief reply...."This has me baffled. We ship LD at the same rate we ship every brewer in the US, which is as soon as processed in the fall, so I'm not sure where this info is coming from. We ship LD their homebrewer inventory every week."
I'll bet on Label Peelers shooting out a salty email before knowing the full story. It's happened plenty of times before. I unsubscribed after their whole "we hate this company down in Florida that also sells wine kits" shenanigans. Pretty sure they're the reason WinExpert has minimum pricing on certain kits now.
Well I apparently jumped to conclusions earlier and ran my mouth prematurely. Mea culpa.

I did score on a wine kit from them LP last year when they were running a big sale before the minimum pricing went into effect. I didn't know the backstory.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2015 Hop crop
« on: January 12, 2016, 07:27:43 PM »
Epic thread response from YVH.....I know where I will be buying my hops from for now on!
Plus they have pimp hophead apparel! I love my Citra hat and YVH hoodie.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2015 Hop crop
« on: January 12, 2016, 04:01:31 PM »
I got the same email from Label Peelers. I've gotten great deals and service from them in the past. Sucks that they're getting shafted by this situation.

What sucks even more is that this major player in the hop business is apparently putting homebrewers on the back burner. I'm hoping that it's mainly because they just haven't gotten their stuff together because of the new merger. Thankfully their are enough sources of quality hops that I can vote with my dollar and boycott HopUnion until they set this straight.

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I'm curious why you think this is necessarily the whole story. I've contacted the CEO of YCH Hops to get his side of things.  Hopefully Drew and I will present that in the podcast.
Thanks for that. I'm looking forward to hear what YCH has to say about this.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: What to look for in MA&NH
« on: January 12, 2016, 11:19:41 AM »
I have a friend visiting Maine and New Hampshire for work. He wants to bring me some beer. What suggestions do you have for what is available there that I cant get in Indiana, Ohio, and Kentucky?
A couple we get in Mass that you may not get out there are Peak Organic and Baxter, both from Maine. We just recently started getting Baxter and I had their Pamola Extra Pale Ale and liked it. I like every Peak Organic I have tried. Spencer Abbey Ale might be available there, I know their recent holiday offering is Mass only. Also, the Maine Brewing Co. makes some nice beers, mostly pricey.
BTW MA= Massachusetts, Maine = ME
He did say MA, now that I double checked it, so Massachusetts and New Hampshire, thanks Pete. I never mail anything to either, so I learned something today(that I probably new in grade school, but have long since forgotten)
Also, thanks for the tips
If he's going to Boston see if he can score anything from Trillium (Not sure if they sell in stores, I have only had some bought directly from brewery by someone else), also Element, a small brewery in Western Mass that sells statewide. I particularly like Dark Element and Red Giant. And if in Mass he should definitely be able to get Spencer Abbey including their holiday ale (a DBSA). I also like a pilsner (can't think of it) from 2 Roads in CT. Jack's Abby in Framingham MA makes all lagers and I like their "Smoke and Dagger".
Ol'factory Pils from 2 roads, maybe? It's a dry-hopped pilsner in the style of Pivo Pils from FW, good stuff.

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Ingredients / Re: Honey malt in an IPA?
« on: January 12, 2016, 11:12:32 AM »
I've seen recipes for O'Dell IPA that includes a small amount (3 oz) per 5 gallons. I recall reading that tropical and citrus are "enhanced" with a small amount of honey malt.
Maybe the sweetness from honey malt is different than the sweetness from residual sugar, but I've had some beers that were a little sweet (hadn't completed bottle conditioning yet) that were heavy on tropical hops and it gets gross fast. I've had some commercial DIPA's that have some sweetness and it ends up tasting like cough syrup. It certainly brings out the fruit character, but not in what I'd consider a pleasing way.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: What to look for in MA&NH
« on: January 12, 2016, 11:03:32 AM »
Not sure what you can get out your way, but Smuttynose and Moonlight Meadery from NH come to mind. If you can't get them out your way, I'd definitely search them out.

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The Pub / Re: Nfl,playoffs
« on: January 11, 2016, 08:05:58 PM »

If the Pats play like they have the past few weeks, they don't have the slightest chance. I suspect that their last game was played in "just don't get hurt" mode and to test out what they can expect out of Stephen Jackson in the playoffs. But who knows - they could just be too beat up and end up an easy W for KC.
It almost look like they intended to lose to Miami.....belichick strategy???
I don't get that strategy when you lock up home field with a win, but they certainly didn't seem too concerned with winning from my perspective.

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Ingredients / Re: I need a new hop(s)
« on: January 11, 2016, 08:03:23 PM »
Vic secret- Victoria secret??'

I believe it is grown in Victoria (Australia). I think the name was originally going to be Victoria Secret as a play on words, but there's probably some concern of trademark issues.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2015 Hop crop
« on: January 11, 2016, 07:58:37 PM »

Just ordered 2015 crop 1# each of citra, galaxy, columbus, and EKG...to bad I fell for that label peelers presale, I guess I'll never order from them again

They'll make whatever right.

Fwiw, not sure if it's their fault or not, but they really are a great lhbs. Super sales all the time and go above and beyond.
I've bought from them online quite a few times and I have had nothing but good things to say about them. Their sales can't be beat.

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The Pub / Re: Birthday Gift from My Better Half
« on: January 11, 2016, 07:34:38 PM »
I need to restock! 31 years old today.
Congrats! I hit the big 4-0 in October and I'm already debating whether I will celebrate with Westy XII or Thomas Hardy.

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The Pub / Re: Nfl,playoffs
« on: January 11, 2016, 07:32:24 PM »
If the Pats play like they have the past few weeks, they don't have the slightest chance. I suspect that their last game was played in "just don't get hurt" mode and to test out what they can expect out of Stephen Jackson in the playoffs. But who knows - they could just be too beat up and end up an easy W for KC.

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Ingredients / Re: I need a new hop(s)
« on: January 11, 2016, 07:24:09 PM »
I'm a big fan of fruit-forward hops. I've been leaning towards a lot of the newer varieties, especially the Aus/NZ ones - primarily because I don't want my hoppy beers to taste like very other commercial beer out there. I also prefer hops that have one dominant flavor, so I can mix and match the specific flavors I want without getting too muddy. Here's my current favorites list:

Citra - oldie but goodie, pretty much straight-up mango, massive oil content and can easily dominate everything else if you're not careful

Meridian - totally underrated hop, lots of stone fruit (nectarine, apricot, sometimes bing cherry) with an undertone of citrus. It's a flavor I don't get in a lot of commercial beer, so I lean on it a lot at home.

Nelson Sauvin - I get a lot of white grapefruit out of it, with a bit of a vinous note that sets it apart from the C hops. It is reliably grapefruit-forward year after year, unlike something like Cascade that can be more floral some years

Motueka - lime zest and lemongrass. It's a shame that it's not more potent - it can easily get overpowered by oilier hops. But outside of IPA's it's a big go-to for me. Great in hoppy lagers as it is a Saaz derivative and gets some herbal/noble stuff going on as well. If you're a fan of Mandarina, I'd put this one in a similar category.

Vic Secret - this is a new discovery for me, but I'm already going to it regularly. It has a distinct passionfruit character that really stands out. This one is super tropical, without a lot of other background notes to muddy it up.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2015 Hop crop
« on: January 11, 2016, 06:37:41 PM »
What sucks even more is that this major player in the hop business is apparently putting homebrewers on the back burner.

We're always the last to get hops because all but the 2-3 largest homebrew shops lack the purchasing power to move up the chain to have orders fulfilled. Wholesalers will always sell to their biggest clients first, which means breweries are getting their orders filled first. We're getting sold the least impressive lots of hops at unfavorable prices.

I know there is talk among the craft beer industry that there is a shortage (or a perceived shortage) and maybe this year's harvest wasn't great. Prices are apparently pretty bad right now if you can't buy under contract. I don't know if Hop Union was hit particularly hard in 2015 or if it's uniformly bad. Apparently even some of the more common varieties are completely sold out from the 2015 harvest.
I'm not sure what model stores like YVH, Farmhouse and Hop Heaven follow (I'm guessing that they have their own contracts rather than buying through a wholesaler like BSG or LD Carlson), but quality is consistently top-notch and the selection has never been an issue for me. It sucks that homebrew shops are getting shafted, but there are quality alternatives for homebrewers who want the best hops they can get their hands on.

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: K97 & S189
« on: January 11, 2016, 03:00:54 PM »
I thought of this thread this morning. My LHBS just got K97 and S189 so I bought a couple packs of each. The S189 rang up at $59.99 instead of $5.99 and I was like "yeah, I heard that this stuff was expensive for dry yeast..."

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