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Ingredients / Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« on: December 08, 2017, 11:59:56 AM »
OK, somewhere along the line I misunderstood...Joe says definitely mix with water for the boil.

Awesome. Since so many people are using it now across methods and styles, maybe you guys want to sticky the dosing and recommendations?

I don't think we want to do that here...don't want to promote a particular product.  But I think it would be good to feature it prominently on the EB website.

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Ingredients / Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« on: December 08, 2017, 11:28:11 AM »
OK, somewhere along the line I misunderstood...Joe says definitely mix with water for the boil.

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Ingredients / Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« on: December 08, 2017, 10:03:20 AM »
His email response above seems to differ.

Yeah, that's in line with what he originally told me.  I'll try to get an email off to him for clarification.

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Ingredients / Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« on: December 08, 2017, 09:54:33 AM »
So, to summarize:

VOLUME BASED DOSING

Mash - 1/2 tsp/5 gal (0.1 tsp/gal) for TOTAL water amount in mash (dose based on strike for no-sparge, dose based on strike+sparge if sparging) and add directly to water.

Boil - 1/2 tsp/5 gal (0.1 tsp/gal) in the boil. Dissolve boil dose  in 1/4 cup of water and add at 15 minutes. Add at least 1 minute prior to kettle fining agents.

(Note: Joe F.'s dosing seems to be based off of 4 g/hl or 0.15 g/gal)

WEIGHT BASED DOSING

Mash - Add between 0.08-0.26 g/gal (2-6.84 g/hl) directly to mash (dose based on strike for no-sparge, dose based on strike+sparge if sparging).

Boil - Add between 0.08-0.26 g/gal (2-6.84 g/hl) in the boil. Dissolve boil dose  in 1/4 cup of water and add at 15 minutes. Add at least 1 minute prior to kettle fining agents.


COMMENTS ON BOIL ADDITION

For those using Copper chillers, the boil addition is certainly worthwhile in addition to kettle fining agents due to the copper chiller's potential for participating in the Fenton reaction.

For those using Stainless chillers, the boil addition shouldn't be required. Adding Brewtan B in the boil in addition to kettle finings really serves no purpose in the absence of the requirement for metal chelation (from the copper). Since you have theoretically already treated both the mash and sparge water volume prior, you shouldn't require the metal chelation for your source water either once in the boil.

Last time I talked to Joe he was recommending dissolving the boil addition in wort rather than water.

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Ingredients / Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« on: December 08, 2017, 08:33:24 AM »
That's a bit different from his original recommendation to me, but not a lot.  I'll be switching to this recommended usage.

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Ingredients / Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« on: December 07, 2017, 01:38:24 PM »
Here's brewcraft using a mixture of the Wyeast recommendations, the Ajinomoto datasheet recommendations, and the JF recommendations:

https://shop.brewcraftusa.com/brewtan-b-1-oz-pack-10391o

Not too surprising since Brewcraft asked me about it.  To eliminate the middle man, here's Joe's email so you can contact him directly....Formanekj@ajiusa.com

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Ingredients / Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« on: December 07, 2017, 12:36:17 PM »
So, finings at 15 min remaining and BTB at 5 min remaining.

Joe says add BTB at least 1 min. before any other finings.  I do BTB at 15 and Whirlfloc at 5.

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Ingredients / Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« on: December 07, 2017, 10:59:31 AM »
Wonder why Wyeast is recommending 0-5 min.

I would assume because Ajinomoto recommends it and that may be where they source it.

But Ajinomoto recommended 15 min. to me and many others. 

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Ingredients / Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« on: December 07, 2017, 09:10:19 AM »
The Wyeast website instructions on BrewTan B recommend adding it 0-5 minutes before the end of the boil.
Denny, I notice you're adding it around 15 mins before the end of boil.
Are you seeing good results doing it this way?

Yeah, I am.  My usage is based on recommendations from Joe Formanek.  He's not only the BTB product manager, he's won more awards using it than most people have ever seen.

Is Joe with Natural Specialties? I'm wondering if the volumetric doses are just based off their weight based recommendations. It would make sense. Wyeast's recommendations and the Ajinomoto recommendations pretty much coordinate.

Joe is with Ajinomoto.

So he probably just adapted his volumetric values from their weight based recommendations based on his experience. Good to know that using either stays true to Joe's recommendations.

Yeah, I assume that's what he's doing.  He's the BTB secialist for Ajinomoto, so I just do whatever he says!

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Ingredients / Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« on: December 07, 2017, 08:55:41 AM »
The Wyeast website instructions on BrewTan B recommend adding it 0-5 minutes before the end of the boil.
Denny, I notice you're adding it around 15 mins before the end of boil.
Are you seeing good results doing it this way?

Yeah, I am.  My usage is based on recommendations from Joe Formanek.  He's not only the BTB product manager, he's won more awards using it than most people have ever seen.

Is Joe with Natural Specialties? I'm wondering if the volumetric doses are just based off their weight based recommendations. It would make sense. Wyeast's recommendations and the Ajinomoto recommendations pretty much coordinate.

Joe is with Ajinomoto.

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Ingredients / Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« on: December 07, 2017, 08:29:59 AM »
The Wyeast website instructions on BrewTan B recommend adding it 0-5 minutes before the end of the boil.
Denny, I notice you're adding it around 15 mins before the end of boil.
Are you seeing good results doing it this way?

Yeah, I am.  My usage is based on recommendations from Joe Formanek.  He's not only the BTB product manager, he's won more awards using it than most people have ever seen.

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https://www.experimentalbrew.com/podcast/episode-55-hitting-books-cellador

On this week's episode, we correct things we got wrong, sit down and look at some different responses to the whole beer name and respect issue, talk about how an early San Francisco craft brewer is coming back and why their move feels similar to Widmer's recent moves and explore the idea of Black Friday Counter Programming the Goose Island Bourbon County Frenzy. We stop by the library to get Drew's recommendations on books for brewers and why Denny doesn't have time to read anymore. In the brewery, Drew talks about a stubborn brewery imperfection that he's got to solve and Lallemand's new dried "New England IPA" yeast. Then we sit down in the lounge with Kevin Osborne of Cellador Ales to talk about running a fermentorium, his giant next door neighbor, how he looks to build sour flavors and hold onto house cultures.

And then of course we answer some questions and Denny goes back to basics before Drew leaves you a new podcast exploring old crime.

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Ingredients / Re: Brewtan-B dosage amounts confusion
« on: December 06, 2017, 08:29:07 AM »
The amounts I was given by a factory rep are in volume, not weight, so that's what I use.  1/4 tsp. per 5 gal. of mash and sparge water.  That means fpr 5 gal. of mash water you'd use 1/4 tsp. and fpr 3 gal. of sparge water you'd use a bit over 1/8 tsp.  Then 15 min. before end of boil 1/2 tsp. mixed with a bit of wort per 5 gal.  Using volume is OK in thise case because you just don't have to be tenth of a gram accurate.

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Reaching Final Gravity
« on: December 04, 2017, 08:22:53 AM »
http://seanterrill.com/2012/01/06/refractometer-calculator/

Denny beat me by a few seconds. Quick fingers.

At almost 12 minutes, Denny was practically slacking off. ;D

Hey, I've been sick.....😉

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Reaching Final Gravity
« on: December 03, 2017, 10:58:49 AM »
Thanks Gents!  That surely solves that well enough!  I'm hitting exactly my gravity's I'm just an idiot.

Boy, do I know THAT feeling!

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