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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: It's Official
« on: October 16, 2017, 11:24:55 AM »
2) Find a way to facilitate “advanced”/R&D oriented discussion for those interested in it. This could be as simple as a creating an “advanced” subforum on the AHA forum. I don’t mean a LODO subforum - I mean a discussion space where the next LODO could be postulated and developed.

I don't think this is a bad idea.

Why can't that be done in the existing structure?

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: It's Official
« on: October 16, 2017, 09:08:32 AM »
The reason I feel we need a LODO subforum is to prevent every thread from turning into a derail.  Like this one, for example.  I wouldn't call for an "advanced" subforum.  I'd ask for a "LODO" one, so the rest of us can discuss other things without as huge a risk of derail on any random topic.  Such as this one.

Then why not just start a LODO thread on an exisiting subforum?

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: It's Official
« on: October 16, 2017, 08:55:11 AM »
I have written this before, and it has been denied before, but I'll repeat: this was not simply a problem of behavior. It's my opinion that the lodo stuff was an attack on the prevailing RDWHAHB paradigm, which makes sense for an organisation like the AHA that wants to do good to as many homebrewers as possible, but does not satisfy people that want to brew the best possible beer with the most advanced scientifically backed techniques available to and/or adapted for homebrewers.  A couple of years ago I came here because it was the place where the then most advanced homebrewing techniques were discussed. This is no longer the case.

Frank with all due respect, no way.

Feel free to disagree. I'm not saying there is some grand scheme here. But you haven't really made the last two sentences bold. Can I conclude you agree with this?

If you mean that advanced techniques are not discussed here, I'd have to ask what advanced techniques and who decides if they're "advanced".  If you mean those techniques are discouraged, I absolutely disagree.  Anything related to brewing that's not proscribed in the forum rules can and should be discussed.  It's not the techniques themselves, it's the tone of the discussion that matters.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: brew bag question
« on: October 15, 2017, 01:28:16 PM »
+1. I get more wort when I began lautering with a bag vs without. I attribute this to completely draining the bag with a colander vs a less disciplined drain without. I don't squeeze.  I simply adjusted over time. It is very predictable now.


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Maybe I was getting more wort of out my mash in the cooler and that's why I don't see a difference with the bag.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: It's Official
« on: October 15, 2017, 01:27:21 PM »
We can resign ourselves to that, and keep things the way they are. But that just means that whatever the "next LODO" (or "next batch sparge" or "next SNS starter", etc....) is will probably have to be developed in private by people who don't want to deal with the issues I raised with this (and other) forum(s).

It seems you're awfully pessimistic.  Maybe this was learning process and it won't happen.  Maybe the next person will approach disseminating their info differently and it won't be a problem.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: It's Official
« on: October 15, 2017, 01:16:04 PM »
And I appreciate your effort to have a productive discussion.  I can't think of any discussion on any forum, though, that doesn't wander.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: It's Official
« on: October 15, 2017, 12:50:42 PM »
When you say "people who disagreed with or felt threatened by the observation/question, and wanted to just outright kill the discussion" I feel like you have misunderstood what those people were getting at and their motivations.  I know that certainly doesn't describe my attitude.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: It's Official
« on: October 15, 2017, 12:15:12 PM »
The separate area for "advanced" topics has been discussed and nobody could figure out why it would make any difference.  You can discuss topics as advanced as you like on any section of the forum.  A separate section would not prevent people who questioned with them from commenting.  If someone can show us differently, then we can reconsider it.

Denny, can you please reread this section of my post above:

The problem right now is that any advanced discussion isn’t flagged as such, and so either 1) newbies stumble into the conversation and either become confused or derail it or 2) novel/crazy/challenging ideas get shot down by the groupthink before they ever have a chance to develop into something more. Every new invention in history began life as an outlandish, crazy sounding idea. A designated “R&D” discussion space would allow novel ideas to be tossed around and refined without interference to/from the mainstream discussion channels.

And then provide evidence that the problems 1) and 2) don't exist, or a good argument for why a separate forum would do nothing to alleviate them? Especially when the nature of the subforum could be made explicit, enforcable ground rules (for example: warning to newbies: these are experimental ideas not to be taken as gospel or good advice; warning to other folks: don't come here looking for arguments or to dismiss new ideas)

 I concede that it may not fix the problems 100%, but it may fix them 90%. The nonexistence of a perfect solution isn't a good reason to refrain from implementing a good solution.

Also, what do you think about my idea re: subsidized access to e.g. JASBC, Brauwelt, etc. for paying members?

As to 1), I have no input.  It's up to the AHA to decide whether it's a member benefit.  I believe it's already been considered, but I really have no say in it.

As to 2), I can't see that it would be any different than what we do now.  People can make up their minds what they want to read or not read, comment on or not comment on. 

Believe me, I understand the frustration of trying to introduce new ideas. I spent years trying to convince people that batch sparging was a valid technique.  Eventually people either decided to try it or not and made up their minds if it worked for them or not.  But trying to get across that it worked for me was a real struggle.  The low oxygen brewing techniques were a similar revolutionary idea, so I understand the uphill battle to persuade people of the validity.  But walling off new info simply doesn't seem like the best way to do that.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: It's Official
« on: October 15, 2017, 11:34:07 AM »
The separate area for "advanced" topics has been discussed and nobody could figure out why it would make any difference.  You can discuss topics as advanced as you like on any section of the forum.  A separate section would not prevent people who questioned with them from commenting.  If someone can show us differently, then we can reconsider it.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: brew bag question
« on: October 15, 2017, 10:08:14 AM »
I didn't get any more wort than usual when I used a bag in my cooler.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: It's Official
« on: October 15, 2017, 08:51:52 AM »
I have written this before, and it has been denied before, but I'll repeat: this was not simply a problem of behavior. It's my opinion that the lodo stuff was an attack on the prevailing RDWHAHB paradigm, which makes sense for an organisation like the AHA that wants to do good to as many homebrewers as possible, but does not satisfy people that want to brew the best possible beer with the most advanced scientifically backed techniques available to and/or adapted for homebrewers.  A couple of years ago I came here because it was the place where the then most advanced homebrewing techniques were discussed. This is no longer the case.

Frank with all due respect, no way.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: It's Official
« on: October 14, 2017, 10:22:45 AM »
So how do we take all these opinions and ideas and turn them into something positive?
Everyone should remember the rule “Don’t be a dick”.

Indeed.  I have a number of other comments, but I'd rather hear what others have to say than voice my own.

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Kegging and Bottling / Re: A Sneak Peek
« on: October 14, 2017, 08:55:16 AM »
Nice!

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: It's Official
« on: October 14, 2017, 08:54:38 AM »
So how do we take all these opinions and ideas and turn them into something positive?

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Other Fermentables / Re: Cider questions
« on: October 13, 2017, 10:16:13 AM »
I've seen some people saturate their starter with as much sugar as they can possibly dissolve. I know extra sugar will increase abv, could it also balance the sweet and dryness or is that mostly the work of the yeast?

IME, it's mainly the yeast.  That's why I've gone to using 1450.

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