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All Grain Brewing / Re: Understanding the Mash (for noobs like me)
« on: May 23, 2011, 09:09:39 AM »
Actually wait, that is 16 gallons total water volume and that doesn't include sparge water. Decoction maybe?

What about this (for 10 lbs of grain):

Dough-in at 104 for 20 minutes with 2 qt/lb
Decoct 8.5 quarts, boil, to bring it all to 143 for 60 mins
Decoct  4 quarts, boil, to bring it to 155 for 30 mins

That's ridiculously complicated IMO.  There is no need to mash in at such a low temp.  Why are you doing the decoctions?  Why not a single infusion?

Thanks Denny for the info on the pump.

Also going to get the glass sights while im at it, a few more $s and a nice feature.

Just a thought.

Where do you tend to cool your wort? In the boil kettle? Id assume the HLT is empty seeing its the 1st step in the process, does anyone go from the boil kettle back to the HLT using their wort chiller. Would it not cool faster this way?

Any advice on the use of indoor burners, Im going to have a section of the house near the kitched for brewing. I see that most brew outside or in the garage, but there are some with indoor setups.

Thanks guys for the quick info, im sure I will have more questions as I go along and actually start the build.

Yes, you chill in the kettle.

Ray, I'm gonna spew a little heresy're looking at building a complicated system and yet you're not sure what all the parts do or how to use them.  Just maybe you should step back and slow down a little.  How about going with a less complicated system (like my Cheap'n'Easy) while you learn the basics of AG brewing?  Then you'll get a feel for the process and also learn more about what you really need and how to use and configure it once you're ready to step things up.  You can use a lot of the stuff (kettles, pumps, etc.) from a basic system when you go to a more "complicated" system so you really won't be losing anything.  Just this last weekend, I had a chance to brew on a pretty much automated 20 gal. Morebeer system.  By the time the day was over I was wondering why I'd ever want to change from my cooler system!  I'm not saying that everyone would feel that way, but keep in mind that there's more to brewing than the equipment you use.

Equipment and Software / Re: Suggestions for a new burner.
« on: May 23, 2011, 08:50:03 AM »
I've been using the banjo cooker. Works great, not too noisy.

Same here.  I like it so well I just bought another one.

thanks Misager

You answer put it into better simple perspective.

You use a seperate pumps to get the hot liquid to the mash tun, and the wort to the boil. Is this so that you can contoll the speed?

What is the optimal GPH for the pumps? Im in the aquarium hobby and have used lots of pump through the years some ranging from 20gph to 2000gph.

You don't even need to worry about that.  Just get the March 809 HS pumps,which are the standard pumps for homebrewers.

There's a guy on the brewsbros forum who works for SN.  Every time batch sparging is mentioned he posts that batch sparging is for suckers.  I don't think he's ever tried it, though.  I'm guessing this comment was written by the same person.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Selling.....maybe?
« on: May 22, 2011, 12:38:18 PM »
Is he going to pay for all of the new equipment and kegs you'll need?  Will he be the owner and you an employee?  Where does the money go and who decides?    Can you legally brew commercially in your backyard brewshed or do you need to find a new location?  Do you really want another job and everything that comes with it?

And do you really want to have to brew when and what the market demands?

All Grain Brewing / Re: Understanding the Mash (for noobs like me)
« on: May 22, 2011, 12:36:30 PM »
Agreed.  The 3rd ed. is much more comprehensive, includes different, more up to date info, and is easier to read.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Competition letdown
« on: May 22, 2011, 10:28:47 AM »
As for the flaws, if you can't detect them in your beer and you can't detect them in a commercial example, are there really any flaws and if there are, why would they matter to you anyway?

Because even if you don't realize it, your beer could be better.  If it was better, chances are that you would realize that it was better.  Again, I speak from my own experience here.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Competition letdown
« on: May 22, 2011, 09:45:55 AM »
But if you were to drink a commercial beer of the same style I'll bet you could detect the differences and then go from there.

What if there isn't a commercial equivalent?  And even if there was, what would that tell you if you couldn't tell what the flaws were in your own?

Also, based on what's been said in this thread and others who's to say the judges would detect it either?

Who's to say they wouldn't?  Of course we hear about poor judging, but we don't hear about great judging.  Since you don't enter comps, you can't be aware of how many great judges are out there.

All Grain Brewing / Re: Understanding the Mash (for noobs like me)
« on: May 22, 2011, 09:23:37 AM »
One final question regarding the mash-out. I read somewhere that if you go strait to the boil you don't need to mash out. What i have done in the past is just lauter when the mash timer goes off without raising the temperature.

Agree? Disagree?

Agree, although most homebrewers don't do a true mashout even when they try to do one.  You need to hold 170F for 20 min,. to truly denature enzymes.

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Missing FG???
« on: May 22, 2011, 09:01:52 AM »
Beersmith software - It shows an expexted OG and FG based on the recipe. We hit OG but miss FG on initital pitch only.

Beware of ANY software that does's a guess and it's bogus.  The software is using the attenuation rating of the yeast, which is actually meant only as a method of comparing one yeast to another, NOT as a way of predicting FG.  Wort composition is actually much more important to FG and any yeast can yield a wide range of attenuation depending on the wort you pitch it into.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Competition letdown
« on: May 22, 2011, 08:56:46 AM »
If money is the consideration, wouldn't it be more economical to sample the beer with a list of flaws in front of you, figure out what to change in your brewing techniques, and skip the competition?

But what if you don't have a sensitivity to some of those flaws, or you don't realize they're flaws until someone points them out to you?  That's happened to me more than once.  I overlooked things in the beer until someone pointed them out to me.

By the way…batch sparging is for suckers!

Basser, is that you?

The Pub / Re: May 21 - What are you planning ot do?
« on: May 21, 2011, 08:04:14 AM »
what did they buy? apparently nobody told them you can't take it with you. and I'm thinking that the type of folks that think they're going to be plucked up to heaven didn't blow there money on a big, long party. but then what do I know?

I heard an interview with one guy who had spent his life savings buying billboards to warn people.

It's moot at this point, anyway.  It was supposed to have started last night at 11 PM PDT with a massive earthquake in New Zealand.  That didn't happen.

I wish I knew there was a NB discount a few days ago. I could have saved 9 bucks.
Dammit!!!  I forgot, my order arrived yesterday.  Next time maybe I'll remember.

I ordered a new burner from them and just used the discount for the first time.  5% IIRC.

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