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Equipment and Software / Re: dead mouse in my carboy
« on: December 15, 2010, 08:17:08 PM »
I guess the real question is: do late mouse additions contribute more to the aroma?

Dry mousing is where it's at.

All Things Food / Re: Bread/Yeast question.
« on: December 15, 2010, 08:15:39 PM »
Wow, 4 tsp/loaf is a metric buttload!  (That's a technical baking phrase).  I use a TBSP. for about 3 lb. of flour (4 baguettes).

All Grain Brewing / Re: Mashing confusion
« on: December 15, 2010, 08:14:17 PM »
At least not until you figure out how to negate the laws of physics!

Equipment and Software / Re: Soda Stream to carbonate beer???
« on: December 15, 2010, 06:36:34 PM »
I do it in a PET bottle with a carbonator cap.

The Pub / Re: A Christmas Story
« on: December 15, 2010, 06:34:43 PM »
Barry, if I don't have to apologize for posting it, you don't have to apologize either!

All Grain Brewing / Re: Mashing confusion
« on: December 15, 2010, 02:46:32 PM »
An Oktoberfest without a decoction is just another mediocre beer.

Maybe, maybe not...I'd have to test that to say for certain.

All Grain Brewing / Re: Mashing confusion
« on: December 15, 2010, 02:46:09 PM »
That's hilarious!

But I have trouble reconciling it with Tim's decoction experiments, because he did a batch that had identical ingredients as the decocted batch and it was noticeably different.

However, in the decoction experiment I did, many of the beers with identical ingredients were found to have no noticeable differences and a significant number of tasters misidentified which was which.


The Pub / Re: A Christmas Story
« on: December 15, 2010, 02:01:53 PM »
+ a billionty and eleven!

All Grain Brewing / Re: Mashing confusion
« on: December 15, 2010, 02:01:17 PM »

I have talked to German brew masters who said that decoction has little impact on taste.

when I was doing research after my decoction experiment, I heard from beer writer Lew Bryson.  He had been to Weinstephan (I probably butchered that!) and a brewing professor there said that they had a tasting panel try decocted and non decocted version of their weizen.  Most of the tasters found no difference.  The professor claimed that there was probably something wrong with the panel!

Ingredients / Re: Palmer Spreadsheet Error
« on: December 15, 2010, 01:57:21 PM »
What would be the purpose of bypassing salt additions to the mash and putting the salts in the boil?
What does it accomplish?
Some ions only really affect mouthfeel and other flavor perceptions.  If you want to know exactly how much of them you're adding to the beer, they should go in the kettle.  Otherwise some could be lost in the mash.

I often add gypsum to the kettle and not the mash.  With my water, the pH for AIPA/APA arrives at the correct value without any mash additions.  I want to add gypsum to accentuate the hops, but if I added it to the mash it would drop the pH too low.  Adding it to the kettle avoids that.

All Grain Brewing / Re: Mashing confusion
« on: December 15, 2010, 01:30:55 PM »
2. [personally I'm not for or against decoction]  It's very possible even with my answer to the first question; I can see this particular brewer subconsciously putting extra effort into his decoction batch.  Another possibility is that my palate picks up on decocted beer while missing character(s) that your (or anyone else) palate detects.  

This is a subject that I'm still toying with and haven't reached any concrete personal conclusions.

Just to be clear, I'm not against decoction, either.  I'm against expending effort that doesn't have a payoff!  Anyway, did you do a blind tasting?  was it a triangle tasting?  I've come to the conclusion that that's really the only way to get somewhat objective results.

The Pub / Re: A Christmas Story
« on: December 15, 2010, 01:28:01 PM »
In conclusion - If Santa ever DID deliver presents on Christmas Eve, he's dead now.

Thanks for ruining my Christmas, Mr. Grinch!   :'(


All Grain Brewing / Re: Mashing confusion
« on: December 15, 2010, 01:26:00 PM »
2.  This has been my experience as well (mostly in brews from other brewers)

But have you had decocted and non-decocted versions of the same beer from the same brewer? It may have simply been the fact that the brewer made the difference.


In a recent article on alts in BYO (IIRC), Horst Dornbusch, long a proponent of decoction and traditional German brewing techniques, said that he no longer feels that decoction makes a difference.  He attributed the flavors to the malts used, not the decoction process.

All Grain Brewing / Re: Mashing confusion
« on: December 15, 2010, 01:23:57 PM »
More on the line of missing out on something.

But are you considering that I (and others) have tested what you advocate and determined that we're not missing anything?  If I could demonstrate to myself that it made demonstrably better beer, I'd do it.  It's a hobby and I want to do the best I can, so if step mashes and decoctions did that, I'd be doing it.  I still do those just to be certain I'm not missing anything.  Just last weekend, I made a German pi;s using a beta/alpha step mash.  I want to know what's what, not be guided by my own prejudices.  Have you done that kind of test?  Have you brewed back to back batches of the same beer using 2 different techniques and then doing a blind triangle tasting to determine if there's a difference?  That's all I really ask of anyone who advocates this.  If you do that and fine that you consistently prefer beers made with one technique or the other, then you have a valid reason to continue with that technique.  Otherwise, you're simply guessing.

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