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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: When is it cheating?
« on: March 22, 2010, 11:48:35 AM »
Does Widmer even make lagers??

We'd all like to know his secret.  No doubt it has something to do with years of experience and the right equipment.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: When is it cheating?
« on: March 22, 2010, 11:16:49 AM »
AFAIC, since we're homebrewers, we each have our own goals and practices to achieve those goals.  What might be "cheating" to one person is standard practice for another.  An example....we have a lot of great brewers on our club, but there's one guy who consistently blows everybody else away.  When we had a club comp for lagers, he entered a lager that had just come out of primary.  It was incredible and easily won the comp.  People started shouting foul because it hadn't been lagered.  From my point of view, if he achieved the desired results, who cares?

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: FYI: blind taste test
« on: March 22, 2010, 08:38:02 AM »
Simplest explanation is that the beer itself was different...different batches, or more likely given BMC's ridiculously good consistency, different ages.  Longer time on the shelf for one batch perhaps.  I mean, sitting in the back of a store refrigerator for weeks is a sort of cold conditioning....   ;D

That's my first thought, too.  How do we know what was tasted is attributable to the can itself?

Seems like "metallic" is off the table at least, at least by this test.


Thanks for the update, Kai.  I find this a very interesting topic!

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: FYI: blind taste test
« on: March 22, 2010, 08:15:12 AM »
Nyakavt, since I hadn't had any Miller in at least 4 months and didn't taste either one before the test, I could not directly or immediately say which one was from a bottle or a can... what I was able to do was put them in order as to which ones tasted the exact same... ie the two glasses that were from cans were together and the two glasses that were from bottles were together.  Try it and you'll see what I mean.  Thats what kind of surprised me, I liked the extra bitterness of the can.  The bottles are cleaner... softer might be a better word for it?

Oh ok, I didn't realize you did them all together.  This is just as good as a triangle, even a little more difficult since you had to pair down the like beers.  Really want to try this now.

The thing I keep wondering about is not that there was a difference, but why the difference was that the can seemed more bitter.  What is it about the packaging that would create that taste?

Last night I made a pale ale that was sort of moderately hop bursted.  All the bittering was done within the last 20 minutes and the latest additions were at 2 and 1 minutes.  I'll bet it has a nice aroma.

There's IPA's made with this technique- all late additions. Wish I could find the link... >:(

Ya mean like this one?

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: How long in primary
« on: March 21, 2010, 09:59:33 AM »
Weeks at least and some of us have gone months.

Beer Recipes / Re: Summer Shandy Clone
« on: March 21, 2010, 08:49:23 AM »
30 years ago, I was doing rock'n'roll tours and almost all the other roadies were English or Australian.  They were into shandy, though they mixed them themselves.  They told me it was beer and lemonade, so imagine my surprise when they mixed beer with 7 Up!  Turns out that's what they call "lemonade"!

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: harvested yeast question (brewing today)
« on: March 21, 2010, 08:45:53 AM »
Yeah, I'd definitely use it.  But why such a small starter?

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: FYI: blind taste test
« on: March 21, 2010, 08:40:59 AM »
Dean, as far as I know, cans are lined so that beer doesn't contact metal.  Is that wrong?

EDIT:  I haven't found any direct info on beer cans, but here's some about soda cans...

I believe the final pH of beer is about the same as soda, so I'd expect beer cans to be lined for the same reasons.  But I'll keep looking for specific info.

All Grain Brewing / Re: Water adjustments: Strike vs. Sparge
« on: March 20, 2010, 09:14:03 AM »
Agreed...that's the way I do it.

I agree with you, Kai, that I don't think it's a myth, but I've never been able to detect any negative effects.  I've always wondered if maybe it's because I have enough foam positive elements in the beer so that even if some gets "used up", there's still plenty.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Higher SG than OG?
« on: March 20, 2010, 08:29:56 AM »
I wouldn't worry about the gravity for another week or so...

Beer Recipes / Re: Red Ale
« on: March 19, 2010, 03:04:05 PM »
It's likely to end up kinda sweet with a lb. each of carapils and crystal.  I'd either cut the carapils in 1/2 or leave it out altogether.  The best way I've found to make a red beer is with about 15-20% carared malt.

The Pub / Re: Odd Ways You Never Thought to Make Money
« on: March 19, 2010, 11:31:20 AM »
I hope to finally get started on a book I've been talking to Brewers Publications about.

It's about time.   ;)

I'd say. Let me know if you want or need a ghost writer.

I'm afraid of ghosts....;)  My mother will be pleased that all those years I spent as an English major may finally come to something!

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