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Kegging and Bottling / Re: No carbonation on first barrel aged beer
« on: December 28, 2016, 02:30:21 PM »
Good advice from everyone.  One thing to keep in mind with high abv beer there are more compounds in solution so there is less volume available for CO2 to go into solution.  A higher abv would be expected to be less carbonated but definitely not flat.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Brewing Science vs. Citizen Science
« on: December 28, 2016, 09:50:49 AM »
You're presuming by vested I was referring only to money... I wasn't at all.

No, I got that.

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Being accused of biased is like being accused of breathing air-- it's ubiquitous and inescapable.

Which is why is said, "No one from GBF, Brulosophy, me or anyone is free from bias.  That is the limitation of experiments with people."

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Rather than providing actual relevant evidence, they've deferred to 70+ year old papers (appeal to antiquity)

I'm aware of that logical fallacy. If you call research published in peer-reviewed journals in the 1990's and 2000's an appeal to antiquity or authority then I don't understand logic (which I admit is a possibility).

I'm a skeptical person and questioned the LODO guys often.  One of my main concerns was the lack of available research.  After some Googling it's apparent this is a legit concern- it's just harder to find the information because we aren't members of the BA, MBAA or brewing science students.  The only question left for me is whether it is worth the effort as a homebrewer who rarely has a keg last longer than 2-3 weeks.

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All Grain Brewing / Brewing Science vs. Citizen Science
« on: December 27, 2016, 11:42:37 PM »
Suppose Marshall puts LODO to the test. He only follows a few of the LODO techniques and finds no significant difference.

Response- hey dummy, you missed X Y and Z. Valid argument.

Response- oh ya? Well, you have advertising and sell t-shirts. Invalid argument that doesn't really make the thing look all that good.

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I agree but Marshall was the one that mentioned a vested interest.  Granted Big Monk baited him. I was pointing out that Marshall could easily be accused of the same thing.  I like his experiments but if one accused him of bias because of it that's a fair point.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: My Brew Years Resolution
« on: December 27, 2016, 11:25:04 PM »
We're planning on moving states in 2018 so my goals for 2017 mostly involve winding down my current brewing and using the ingredients I have on hand without buying much more. I'd rather move beer than grain so I'll have something to drink while getting settled into a new living environment.

My 2017 beers will mostly be dialing in working with my mixed saison culture, brewing a little more spontaneously fermented beers (very early 2017), a few more sour beers and a handful of hoppy beers to exhaust some of the hops in the freezer.

To what region are you moving?

Denver
Jealous, I'd love to live around that area. Why don't I? I'm 33, not married, no kids, no set career...wtf? I gotta makes some gawd d@mn changes!

The housing prices are rough but otherwise why not? So much good beer.

  I lived there a long time ago [Golden area] and hated it, couldn't wait to GTFOOD! To be fair, there are a whole lot worse places though.

We're looking at areas closer to downtown if we can find something in our price range that is large enough for my wife's demands. I really don't want to live in the suburbs. I've lived in suburbs my entire life. We don't have kids so there's no draw to find good schools or a quiet neighborhood.
Yes but the suburbs on the west side are closer to the foothills and front range.  Also easier to get to Boulder from that side IME.  If you like the outdoors places like Lakewood and Golden are closer.  If you work downtown, nevermind- better live downtown as rush hour sucks.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Brewing Science vs. Citizen Science
« on: December 27, 2016, 11:16:44 PM »
I am beginning to remember why I walked away from this forum.
I took a brewing hiatus then so I missed that.  Sounds like Mark was treated like the LODO guys.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Brewing Science vs. Citizen Science
« on: December 27, 2016, 11:13:42 PM »
I am beginning to remember why I walked away from this forum.

Jim, this is healthy discussion about science which is the topic of the forum.  That's all.  The topic of the thread is about science.  These kinds of debate happen I the scientific field.  Note that I included myself as those affected by bias.  I didn't mean anything personal.  I don't have a preference for LODO or non-LODO.  I was skeptical of it at first and questioned Bryan and others frequently.  After Google searching it's obvious HSA is a valid concern.  The only question left is whether it is worthwhile on the homebrew side.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Brewing Science vs. Citizen Science
« on: December 27, 2016, 11:03:48 PM »
Good grief!

Marshall sells t-shirts. He's a vested interest LODO denier. Call the brewing justice warriors.

I am beginning to remember why I walked away from this forum.
Read my edit.

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All Grain Brewing / Brewing Science vs. Citizen Science
« on: December 27, 2016, 10:48:07 PM »

I'm not sure anyone is ever truly free from influence.

No one from GBF, Brulosophy, me or anyone is free from bias.  That is the limitation of experiments with people.  The reason I trust Bryan's experiments are from the pictures posted on GBF.  LODO does appear to affect clarity.


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At least consciously, we've no vested interest in the outcome of xBmts

I like your site and experiments Marshall but don't you sell Brulosophy  t-shirts?  I don't mean this as a personal dig at you but by definition that is a vested interest.

EDIT:  Marshall I saw your post after that.  I was just pointing out you accused the LODO proponents of something you actually do.  Do I believe this affects your experiments?  Maybe subconsciously, but like Jim I've heard you many times on various podcasts and don't believe you are intentionally affecting experiments.

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All Grain Brewing / Brewing Science vs. Citizen Science
« on: December 27, 2016, 10:15:15 PM »
I agree with your second paragraph Jim.  I also relate to the third paragraph.  But even though it seems like a PITA now I'm going to try LODO to determine if it is worth the time "FOR ME." 

I think it will be like going all-grain for the first time which require planning and some extra time for the first few batches.  I will not spend money on extra equipment though.  Maybe on some minor stuff like extra gas and beverage line to do closed transfers post ferment,  but not on fancy brewing equipment as I love the fact I can use Denny's method for about $10 (getting Igloo cooler at flea mkt and plumbing hardware cheap).

As far as not tasting science in our beer I disagree.  We taste science whether we realize it or not.  Otherwise we'd be brewing like we did 6,000 years ago.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Brewing Science vs. Citizen Science
« on: December 27, 2016, 07:47:40 PM »
sooooo. 6 microbreweries might be LODO?
At least 30 from what I can tell.   Probably more.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Brewing Science vs. Citizen Science
« on: December 27, 2016, 04:03:42 PM »
I was wondering if anyone here knows the percentage of Pro Breweries in the US that are LODO? Also, what breweries in particular that use these techniques?

By volume of market share over 70% of beer sold in the US is likely LODO.

EDIT:  Is it safe to say breweries using a BrauKon system are LODO?  If so, dozens of breweries.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: This is Belgium
« on: December 27, 2016, 12:08:44 PM »
No they go with chicken.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Brewing Science vs. Citizen Science
« on: December 27, 2016, 11:35:23 AM »
I will have to get a blind taste test of my own.  I have been talking some local brewers into going in on an experimental brew so we can judge for ourselves truly unbiased.
I'd have to go in with a few local brewers just to afford the DO meter needed for the experiment.  I trust the results of the trials Bryan has been doing on the GBF. I would like to be able to do a triangle test though.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Question on handling water treatment chemicals
« on: December 27, 2016, 10:33:49 AM »
Wouldn't they dissolve when the water is heated or is that too late?

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Beer Recipes / Re: Belgian Golden Strong
« on: December 27, 2016, 10:09:58 AM »
This may be outside of what people care about or worry about which was a main driver in making this thread. This way debate on these subjects stays out of other threads so that people The aren't interested don't have to suffer through the spirited conversation.
Okay now I'm confused.  Isn't his the Belgian Golden Strong thread?

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