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The other day, Gordon made the following post on the BJCP forum.  I thought many more folks would find it informative than just the closed judge's forum, so I asked for his permission to repost it out here "in the wild" (pun intended)   :-).

Hope this helps to clarify category selection in these instances.
Steve

Quote from: Gordon Strong
Several people have been confused by the Entry Instructions in Style 29A (Fruit Beer) in the 2015 BJCP Style Guidelines. Those instructions say:

Quote from: Style 29A (Fruit Beer)
    The entrant must specify a base style, but the declared style does not have to be a Classic Style. The entrant must specify the type(s) of fruit used. Soured fruit beers that aren't lambics should be entered in the American Wild Ale category.


This leads to questions like, "I have a fruited Berliner Weisse, does that mean it goes into 28C (Wild Specialty Beer)?"

The short answer is No. A fruited Berliner Weisse is a 29A Fruit Beer.

From the Introduction to Specialty-Type Beer preamble:

Quote from: Introduction to Specialty-Type Beer preamble
    Specialty-Type Beer is a broad term used to refer to the styles described in Categories 28 through 34. They are different from what we call Classic Styles that are represented by Categories 1 through 27. The Classic Styles stand alone and can be fully described in a standard BJCP style description. Specialty-Type Beers involve some form of transformation of either a Classic Style or another base beer, either through adding additional ingredients, or handling the beer differently using an alternative process.


From the Category 29 Fruit Beer preamble:

Quote from: Category 29 Fruit Beer preamble
    The Fruit Beer category is for beer made with any fruit or combination of fruit under the definition...


So you apply those two statements, then any specific instructions in the style. Berliner Weisse is a Classic Style (style 23A), so it is a Classic Style that is transformed with the addition of fruit.

The statement about lambics is the exception to the rule, not the rule itself. The reason for this statement is that there is a 23F Fruit Lambic style, and that lambics with fruit should be entered there, not in 29A Fruit Beer.

The statement about soured fruit beers is for non-Classic Style beers. So if a beer without a base style is soured and contains fruit, that is what the 28C Wild Specialty Beer is designed to describe (among other things).

The statement about the declared base style not having to be a Classic Style is for beers with an actual style. For example, a raspberry porter can be entered there. The beer doesn't have to be an American Porter or an English Porter, just have general porter-like qualities. For a Wild Specialty Beer, the base style is less important and might not even exist. That's why a general description of the beer is all that is requested.

The point that seems to be confusing to people is that some Classic Styles happen to be sour. This is an irrelevant point for entering in the Fruit Beer style. Yes, Berliner Weisse is sour. So is Gose, and several other styles. Fruited versions of these beers go into the Fruit Beer style since the base beer is a Classic Style.

We understand how this can be confusing to people, so we will look to clarify the instructions in future releases of the guidelines. However, try to keep in mind that there are no tricks in the guidelines. Use reasonable judgment and try not to cherry-pick individual sentences and give them undue weight. In this case, a beer with fruit is indeed a Fruit Beer.

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Events / PNWHC -- Anyone else going?
« on: March 01, 2016, 04:03:54 PM »

Just wondering who else on the forum is going to the PNWHC in Vancouver, WA this week?
I'll be giving a "Beer Judging 101" talk on Friday.  Looking forward to meeting everyone.
It's going to be fun.

Steve

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From the BJCP Web Site: http://www.bjcp.org
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May 2015

New Style Guidelines Released

The long-awaited 2015 BJCP Style Guidelines are now complete, and have been released for use. There are now separate documents for Beer, Mead, and Cider styles, which allows them to be updated in the future on different schedules. The documents are currently available in PDF and Word formats from the Style Center. The 2008 guidelines are still available for use.

BJCP exams will begin to use the 2015 guidelines on exams given in November 2015. More information will be posted as it is available. Tests prior to 1 November 2015 will be based on the 2008 guidelines.

BJCP-sanctioned competitions may use either set of guidelines. Check with individual competition organizers for specific rules. The BJCP expects that by the end of 2015, all competitions will use the 2015 guidelines.

Note that most style-related documents and information posted refers to the 2008 guidelines. As additional formats and translations are available, we will note that in the Style Center.
Steve

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We need HELP!

The First round of the National Homebrew Competition is coming to Seattle on April 2, 2011!
We are expecting a record number of entries and are therefore looking for as many judges and stewards as
we can get to help with the 1st round judging of this competition. You don't
have to be a BJCP judge to participate. You just need a decent beer palate and be
reasonably familiar with different styles of Craft Beer. Don't worry, all
novice judges will be paired up with at least one experienced BJCP judge, so you
won't be left hanging. We are seeking stewards as well, so you can help out that way too.

You can help by pre-registering here: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/C735L5G

Thanks!
Steve Antoch
BJCP Master Judge
NHC NW Region 1st Round Judge Director

Side Note -- BJCP National Judge Mark Tanner and I will be presenting a short Beer
Judging seminar at the Cascade Brewer's Guild ExBEERience event which will be held at Redhook in
Woodinvlle on March 12. It's a great chance to get out and sample some great Craft Beer and Homebrew
and take in a small class on beer judging. I hope that all prospective Novice judges can stop by and take part.

http://www.brownpapertickets.com/event/153508

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