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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Quick turn around on Bavarian Weis
« on: October 12, 2016, 10:26:11 PM »
Not a problem, especially since you keg.
I wouldn't cold crash it, either.  Clarity is a non issue for this style.
Go for it.

Beer Recipes / Re: Ayinger Altbairisch Dunkel
« on: October 07, 2016, 07:48:34 PM »
God, it's crazy how good a fresh bottle of Ayinger Altbairish Dunkel is.  That is definitely way uup there on my list of favorites. Like so many "tame" beers, it is way underappreciated.

Homebrew Competitions / Re: APA or IPA?
« on: October 06, 2016, 09:24:14 PM »
'tweener beers like this are tough to figure.

Get ahold of a good commercial APA an IPA.
Pour a glass of each and a glass of your beer.
Taste all three and see which of the commercial examples is closer.

The things you want to hone in on are the Bitterness, Caramel presence, and if there's noticeable Alcohol warming. (Hop flavor and hop aroma are wide open for all of these styles, so a lot of them won't be detrimental in any of the 4 styles I'd consider below, so ignore them for this classification purpose).

Choose the closes between these 4 categories based on how the above flavors 

IPA (bitter, some warming, low or no caramel),
Specialty Red IPA (bitter & caramelly, possibly warming)
APA (lower bitterness, very low or no warming, caramel can be present or not)
Am Amber (lower bitterness balance is to the malt, with caramel)


To clarify, it's not so much the tap water but rather the innards of the chiller that worry me in this case.  The chiller has been sitting unsanitized since last use.  God knows what may have grown inside.  Sitting it in the boil for 10 or 15 mins will heat it up and should kill the nasties, both inside and out.

Yeah, not exactly ideal, but you will likely be ok.
I let my chiller sit in the boil for 10 mins or so before turning on the water
There usually is enough heat to cause steam in the coils (I run a little through to test for leaks, etc, beforehand).

Be sure to seal things up for next time, but try to relax and likely the heat was enough to kill any nasties that were inside the chiller.


Homebrew Clubs / Re: Wisconsin Homebrewers Association
« on: October 02, 2016, 08:39:28 PM »
Sorry, for resurrecting this post.
We in WA state created WAHA (WA Homebrewer's Association) for the same reasons (and more) that you describe.

I suggest you talk to Mark Emiley (one of the WAHA founders) for info.  Check out
for contact info.


Ingredients / Re: Vic Secret
« on: October 02, 2016, 08:26:17 PM »
All this talk about Victoria's Secret. Seems expensive. I only use muslin bags.  Is it the fine mesh or the fishnets that you guys are using?  My only advice -- don't let your wife and kids catch you.


General Homebrew Discussion / Re: The Decline of Homebrewing
« on: October 02, 2016, 08:17:30 PM »
Well, here is another spin on the decline of homebrewing...seriously bad homebrew.

Yesterday I helped judge the Fresh Hop Ale Fest here in Yakima.  This is my 3rd or 4th year doing this.  About half of the beers had serious flaws.  Two were utterly undrinkable.  Diacetyl, DMS, Phenolic, or Solventy messes.  There is nothing enjoyable about drinking band-aids or peppery to the point of being unable to taste anything else for 15+ minutes.

On one hand it is a great way to learn.  Send your bad beer in to get fix info.  On the other hand I'll bet a lot of people brew one or two beers like that and give up.

Help is good.

Now you know why I stopped judging that competition.
Oh, and you forgot the broccoli and bales of hay they dropped in.
Its a very different set of beers than we get in the "normal" comps around here.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Done with hefes
« on: October 02, 2016, 08:50:39 AM »
Maybe in the square fermenters, they can send the bad yeast to stand in the corner?

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Done with hefes
« on: October 01, 2016, 08:33:34 PM »
So it's the depth not the shape. At the homebrew level I am guessing it wouldn't matter.
A 6 gallon round bucket vs. a 6 gallon square bucket would make no difference?

Pimp My System / Re: hard part is done
« on: October 01, 2016, 01:54:06 PM »
broken link?

All Things Food / Re: Beer style(s) for Thanksgiving?
« on: October 01, 2016, 11:40:21 AM »
Also along the lines of Bitters and Marzens is Irish Red.  Very refreshing and quaffable and goes great with many foods.  I think its a great gateway beer for the BMC "I don't like dark beer" folks. They taste Irish Red and are surprised (in a good way).  It's another one of my "unsung hero" favorites, and is quite flexible in terms of how big or small you can make it.
(1.044 - 1.060).

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Done with hefes
« on: October 01, 2016, 10:50:32 AM »
... and to finish Martin's excellent explanation, the increased  depth causes increased pressure on the yeast.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: flaked grains and cloudiness
« on: October 01, 2016, 10:46:48 AM »
In an extract batch without any base malt to convert the starch, I would say yes, it's likely.

All Grain Brewing / Re: Cloudy beer
« on: September 30, 2016, 05:57:20 PM »
Did you use whirlfloc?

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