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All Grain Brewing / Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« on: January 16, 2010, 07:05:45 AM »
new hop profile....

0.50 oz Apollo [17.50 %] (Dry Hop 14 days) Hops - 
1.50 oz Citra [11.00 %] (Dry Hop 14 days) Hops - 
0.50 oz Zeus [15.00 %] (60 min) Hops 22.7 IBU
0.25 oz Amarillo Gold [9.00 %] (60 min) Hops 6.1 IBU
0.25 oz Simcoe [12.90 %] (60 min) Hops 8.8 IBU
0.25 oz Apollo [17.50 %] (60 min) Hops 13.2 IBU
0.50 oz Citra [11.00 %] (60 min) Hops 15.0 IBU
0.25 oz Simcoe [12.90 %] (20 min) Hops 5.9 IBU
0.50 oz Citra [11.00 %] (20 min) Hops 9.1 IBU
0.25 oz Amarillo Gold [9.00 %] (20 min) Hops 4.1 IBU
0.75 oz Zeus [14.00 %] (0 min) Hops - 
1.00 oz Simcoe [12.90 %] (0 min) Hops - 
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [9.00 %] (0 min) Hops - 
0.50 oz Apollo [17.50 %] (0 min) Hops -

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All Grain Brewing / Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« on: January 15, 2010, 10:08:24 AM »
maybe a good beer to try some of these as late hop additions in small-ish amounts?

I don't think you quite get what we're saying  ;).  For late hops (flavor and aroma) the quantity is more important than the IBUs.  So whether it's Simcoe (14% AA) or Crystal (~4%AA) I'm going to use 4oz at 20 minutes - you need a high quantity of hops to put big hop flavor and aroma into the beer, regardless of what the alpha acids are.

You control the overall bitterness by using the early hops (60min) as your plug for the cumulative IBUs.  So in my simple example, the beer with Simcoe as the late hops, to get my targeted IBU for the beer, I may only need 1.5oz of Columbus as the 60min bittering charge, whereas with the Crystal hopped beer, I may need 3 or even 4oz to get the IBU target.

If you go 'smallish' late, your going to have 'smallish' flavor and aroma. 


by smallish, i mean an ounce or two of each!  i may even go with a few hops at the 60 minute hop additions in much smaller amounts than that though. 

888
If you're making a starter you don't need to wait for the smack pack to swell.  Just smack it, shake it up, and pour it into the starter.


cool.  thanks for that info.  this is my first starter.....

889
i'm brewing that black ipa i started a thread about on sunday.....

forgot to smack my smack pack this morning to make my starter tonight, so i guess i'll smack it tonight and make the starter saturday morning.....

890
All Grain Brewing / Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« on: January 15, 2010, 07:50:37 AM »
i looked at my hops yesterday and i have some odd ones i haven't tried yet...

zeus
apollo
citra....

maybe a good beer to try some of these as late hop additions in small-ish amounts?

891
All Grain Brewing / Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« on: January 14, 2010, 05:25:25 PM »
the best thing about beer is the only limit is your imagination!

892
All Grain Brewing / Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« on: January 14, 2010, 03:28:01 PM »
and whomever mentioned the imperial mild.....  my friend is working on one.

893
All Grain Brewing / Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« on: January 14, 2010, 03:04:07 PM »
Still don't get this fascination with black "IPAs"...

good stuff yo.

894
All Grain Brewing / Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« on: January 14, 2010, 02:20:36 PM »
Agree with blatz on the bitterness - most of my American IPAs get the majority of their BUs after the 20 minute mark. For my 70 BU IPA I only put in ~22 BUs at the 60 min mark.

how much hops do you have to add to get most of your bittering done at 20 minutes or later?????

895
All Grain Brewing / Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« on: January 14, 2010, 01:39:28 PM »
i've been told i was always heavy handed on the hops,

exactly my point  ;) - you're heavy handed on the bitterness part of it (which may be what people are perceiving) - which, with this recipe you certainly are!  You have more bittering hop in for a 5gal batch than I do for my 12gal IPAs, even though mine are around 65-70ibus too! 

less bittering hop (relative to what you have) and more late hops yields a much better IPA, IMO.


thanks!  i'll sort out that tonight.  i wanted to use more than two different hop varieties anyway.  i guess i'll go crazy on the late additons. 

i'll update this later tonight with some more hops and additions and times.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« on: January 14, 2010, 01:07:28 PM »
as far as the hop schedule goes....  it only looks like about 70 IBU...  ok for an ipa (for my taste) but i probably will add a third hop in at 60 and dry hop with the same one....  citra maybe????

The way it is now, your beer just looks bitter, but doesn't say "IPA" to me.

IBUs and hop flavor and aroma are different.  I was talking about the fact that you only have 1oz after the 60min addition - very,very weak.  I generally have at least 8oz of hops during the last 20min of the boil (though I do double the size batches as you do). 

I would double the 20 minute addition, do the same addition at 10 or 5 min, double or maybe triple the flameout addition.  AND dryhop it.

Lower your 60min additions to get to whatever the IBU target you want after accounting for the late hops.




that's probably not a bad idea.  i've been told i was always heavy handed on the hops, so hearing that this is light on them surprises me, but i'm not opposed to throwing a bunch more in.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: a black ipa... how does this look?
« on: January 14, 2010, 12:20:50 PM »
just talked to my buddy who also brews.....

i'm definitely dropping the de-bittered crystal down to .25 lb. and i 'm going to use 1 oz of black patent.


as far as the hop schedule goes....  it only looks like about 70 IBU...  ok for an ipa (for my taste) but i probably will add a third hop in at 60 and dry hop with the same one....  citra maybe????

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All Grain Brewing / a black ipa... how does this look?
« on: January 14, 2010, 11:06:30 AM »
also, this yeast says to ferment between 60-72...  would i be ok on the lower end of this?



11 lb. maris otter
1 lb. crystal 60
.5 lb de-bittered black
.5 lb flaked oats

1 oz amarillo @ 60
1 oz simcoe @ 60
.5 oz amarillo @ 20
.5 oz simcoe @ 20
.5 oz amarillo @ 0
.5 oz simcoe @ 0

wyeast london ale 1028 (w/ starter)

i'll probably dry hop it with an ounce of something, but i'm not sure what.



i'll be brewing an abyss-ish clone to pitch on the yeast cake after i rack this one.


thanks for looking.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: aspirations
« on: January 04, 2010, 03:34:31 PM »
pro brewer on a vary small scale and then a brewpub.

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