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The Pub / Re: The Malt Book
« on: December 20, 2014, 12:14:19 PM »
Yes, that's a disappointment. I've been in search of some of that same information lately. I'm fine with experimentation, but in the interest of scooting up the learning curve a ways, it would be nice to have a good reference. Maybe you/we need to compile some kind of a poll, say do it with 10 malts at a time, and give people a way to post their flavor descriptors based on their experience using these malts. See if we can build some kind of a useful reference. There's an awful lot of experience on this forum to pull from.

I like that idea a lot.

The Pub / The Malt Book
« on: December 20, 2014, 11:37:18 AM »
I received my copy of the long-awaited Malt book yesterday.  I spent some time reading and surfing through it.  It is well written and I'm sure I will learn from it.

However.  It does not have the ONE thing I was hoping it would have: A chart of malts, detailing each one's flavor descriptions.  I was even hoping that it would include what a malt tastes like if there is too much of it in a beer since some malts go from a pleasant range of flavors to unpleasant, different flavors.

He has some of this in there but it is scattered around.  Bummer.  In fairness, he does list major categories of malts with flavor descriptions but it is far too general IMO.

Also, anticipating responses, I know there are lists online but they are not very descriptive nor very complete.  And, given that this book is One of the Four, it would be more reliable/researched than 'a list I found online.'


General Homebrew Discussion / Re: A homebrewing milestione
« on: December 20, 2014, 10:32:45 AM »
Excellent!  As long as this isn't followed up with "There is nothing new in home brewing that I want to try."

Now your lovely wife can focus on chia pets and the like.

Kegging and Bottling / Re: Prime Dose Review
« on: December 20, 2014, 09:14:09 AM »
Yep, good to know.  I try to keep my beer free of boogers.

The Pub / Re: Founders Sells Minority Stake
« on: December 18, 2014, 03:29:55 PM »
Maybe it is to access the price point on consumables that big brother gets.  And in light of what Keith just posted, maybe on the hardware also.

The Pub / Re: Epic Rant about 10 Barrel & AB/InBev
« on: December 17, 2014, 04:01:13 PM »
I agree with Jonathan on this point.  I think the boom has a LONG way to go - primarily for three reasons:

1. More flavor and better flavors in Craft beer
2. Societal movement toward local sourcing of foodstuffs
3. The ratio of craft to BMC: still ~1/9! 

You see, I don't think that the dynamic in play here is the same as a lot of other 'bubbles.'  Craft beer isn't a fad any more than people preferring a variety of good food is a fad.  Quality and variety will never be out of style.  The *only* thing BMC has going for it is the price point that goes with volume.

Anyway, that's how I see it.

The Pub / Re: Epic Rant about 10 Barrel & AB/InBev
« on: December 16, 2014, 10:40:04 PM »
Tour Guide: "no we are still 10 barrel brewery, but we make 15 barrels"


Its like opening up a business named "1 oven bakery" or "3 table restaurant" or "2 truck delivery service"

Ah...  Tony you're too in the know.  Most people would read this as a quaint, literal 10 barrels.  Like a tailor shop named Four Buttons.  It's figurative, poetic language.  You are supposed to picture 10 wooden stave barrels on a loading dock full of beer destined for the local pub down the lane a league or so.

I say this because this is the conversation in my head whenever I see 10 Barrel Brewing.  (yes, I have my own private OCD purgatory)

The Pub / Re: Epic Rant about 10 Barrel & AB/InBev
« on: December 16, 2014, 06:10:07 PM »
People with passion do not have money and people with money do not have passion.

Just buy my beer and be happy :)

Ha ha ha!  The best answer yet.

The Pub / Re: Epic Rant about 10 Barrel & AB/InBev
« on: December 16, 2014, 11:27:02 AM »
And here is evidence for some of what I said above:

Miller Genuine Draft, Sales loss (2008-2013): -58.3% !!!

The Pub / Re: Epic Rant about 10 Barrel & AB/InBev
« on: December 16, 2014, 11:11:59 AM »
I agree to an extent.  Business is business.  But I also think part of the issue is the American idea that business isn't successful without constant growth.  "Does every brewery have to distribute everywhere" is almost the same question as "Does every restaurant need to be a chain?"  What's wrong with running a small business?  If you got into it to expand 100x and then cash out, that's fine, but it's not my personal goal nor is it what I want in a local business.

I think this reflects my thoughts on the topic.  My biggest personal value is the personality and creativity of the 'mom & pop' brewer.  If a family can make a decent living and provide employment to one or more people, that is wonderful.  I'd be happy never drinking another beer from a publicly traded company.

I know that the downward pressure on beer prices, largely as a result of macro-breweries makes this very difficult.  Perhaps it is right at the tipping point.  The investment required to have a brewery that can provide the owners with enough income to raise a family is substantial.

But I also think that some of the tactics and language of the macro-brew world sounds a bit like desperation.  For them it is like a slow death by 10,000 cuts.  The simple fact is that even though they utterly dominate beer sales, their percentage is shrinking.  And it continues to shrink despite buying the likes of Goose Island or 10 Barrel Brewing.  This is failure in the corporate world.

The bottom line vis. the PourFool is that I think the blogger is feeling personally betrayed.  It was not just business.  It is a weird fact that it is out of a loving relationship that the extremes of domestic violence can come.  It is as though 10 Barrel Brewing is having an extramarital affair.  As they say, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."  I don't know the relationship that existed between them, the many conversations about shared values, and the symbiotic work that went into the relationship, but it sounds substantial.

The Pub / Epic Rant about 10 Barrel & AB/InBev
« on: December 15, 2014, 07:33:19 PM »

Kegging and Bottling / Re: A little quicker carbonation
« on: December 13, 2014, 09:52:41 AM »
The reason I tried it is that I thought that the CO2 bubbling up through all of the beer would cause it to be absorbed faster.  It presents a greater surface area essentially.

Kegging and Bottling / A little quicker carbonation
« on: December 12, 2014, 08:07:05 PM »
I was rushed getting a Pale Ale ready for my daughter & son-in-law's business holiday party.  I kegged it Wednesday at 9:30 PM.

I hooked the CO2 to the beverage out post and pressurized the keg.  It didn't seal as quickly as when I use the CO2 in post - lots of bubbling - but it did seal when I ramped the pressure up to about 15 psi.  I began cold conditioning it at that time at 32* and 10 psi.

I tapped the keg today at 3:00 PM, so 42 hours later.  It was sufficiently carbonated.  Actually I'd say it was very close to where it should be - close enough that I don't think anyone will notice. 

My conclusion is that it did carb up more quickly than the usual gas-in post method. 

Also, I didn't want to do the roll-it-around method because I wanted to precipitate out the hop particles as much as possible in the same time frame.

Homebrew Competitions / Re: Competition Cheating
« on: December 11, 2014, 12:00:04 PM »
I think it would be awesome to have a wall of medals and one framed judging sheet from a grand master stating I was disqualified for cheating because my beer was too good to be true LOL. Can't imagine getting too pissed about that one

Ha!  I think I would have arrows pointing to it.  That would be a treasure for sure.

Commercial Beer Reviews / Re: Best of the Northwest 2014
« on: December 11, 2014, 09:19:14 AM »
Wild Earth makes some stunningly good beers.  It is one to watch for sure.  However he recently posted an enigmatic statement on Facebook:

First, I would like to extend a hearty and sincere thank you for supporting our craft and for sharing a beer (or several) with us over the past year.

 We are both excited and humbled by the overwhelmingly positive response to our beers and brand, and it reinforces for us the notion that people crave quality and creativity - even more so than we could have anticipated! With this encouragement, it has become clear to us that in order to meet the demand for our product we must evaluate our operation and explore new business models that will enable us to grow to meet the level of production our customers are demanding.

 To that end, we have decided to close our current operation in Roslyn at the end of December while we investigate our options. This decision does not come easy, but we look forward to sharing the next phase of Wild Earth Brewing with all of you.

Hmmm.  Interesting from a couple of standpoints: simple curiosity and admiration for good marketing.

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