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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: NHC Date...
« on: June 19, 2015, 07:15:58 AM »
I guess I'm just curious why the AHA chose what ends up being the last week of school for many kids as the week for NHC? Why not push it to a "safer" weekend a couple weeks later?

Maybe it's time for you to lobby your school district to start and end the school year earlier so you are free to attend NHC.

I had no idea kids regularly went to school into June. When I was a kid I think we had to go once or twice at the end of June because we had too many snow days. I remember finding that blasphemous as a kid. All the districts around here, as far as I know, end the regular school year the week before Memorial Day.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: NHC Date...
« on: June 19, 2015, 07:12:02 AM »
I guess I don't understand the significance of the last day of school. I was always thrilled but it wasn't something I celebrated.

Traveling in winter sucks. I've had flights canceled due to snow and ice before. That is no fun.

Now they do graduation parties or ceremonies seemingly every year.

Ingredients / Re: Grains that you don't crush
« on: June 19, 2015, 07:03:00 AM »
Greg Noonan, RIP, proposed in Brewing Lager Beer that roasted grains and malts not be crushed to reduce their astringency.  This of course reduces the amount of flavor extracted.

What Noonan suggested and the current fad of cold steeping roasted grain isn't that far apart. Just two ways to try to avoid astringency without having to deal so carefully with water chemistry.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 19, 2015, 06:36:41 AM »
You mean that it is based on something that is as silly as brewing as a competitive sport.  This thread has only strengthened my belief that the National Homebrew Conference and the National Homebrew Competition need to be separate events like the Craft Brewers Conference and the Great American Beer Festival.  The National Homebrew Competition is too divisive.

Is it really that divisive? This thread is about the least important award in the whole competition and the thread has been extremely civil over a necessarily competitive subject. I've seen fellow lawyers have more vicious discussions over the use of one or two spaces after the end of a sentence.

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: How much food do Brett and pedio need?
« on: June 18, 2015, 08:02:17 AM »
I would agree with your premise if you knew no further acetate will be formed in the beer. However, there is a good probability that whatever has been creating acetate will continue to do so and over time that beer will become unpleasant with excessive ethyl acetate. If that is the case and you put that in the beer then you may have a barrel that always creates ethyl acetate. Subsequent cleanings might get rid of the problem but might not. In my opinion, and seemingly the opinion of many others in this thread, is that the risk of creating a bad barrel is not worth it.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 18, 2015, 07:53:40 AM »
I don't know what the answer is...... but, ultimately the problem is pretty simple.  For a long time big clubs, in big metropolitan areas that have the ability to draw from a million+ people won the award.  Along came a club that had the ability to draw from an even bigger pool of people, has more members and gets more people to participate.... so, now they win all the time.  The clubs that are no longer the biggest want the rules changed so that they are the biggest clubs again....  In the end, you are simply swapping one big club with huge reach, for several big clubs with more reach than almost everyone else.  The VAST majority of clubs still have zero chance of winning the award in this structure.


Excluding the BN just means the same group of large clubs go back to battling over a prize only they are able to win and seemingly feel they are only entitled to win. The award is no more exclusionary and no more of a popularity contest. These clubs just want to rig the rules so they go back to winning. It's an extremely elitist perspective and I don't see how the GC can fairly think redesigning the rules specifically to exclude BNA or other internet groups is consistent with the AHA's mission to expand homebrewing.

The underlying implication of changing the rules to exclude the BNA, aside from giving the urban clubs back their COTY award, is the message that the relationships and involvement of people in the BNA is inferior to those who associate with a physical club, no matter how organized or involved that physical club may be. Again I do not agree that creating rules designed to exclude or devalue the participation of some people in the hobby is consistent with the AHA's mission.

Some combination of like-sized clubs, and/or reward for consistency of entering quality beer seems to be the only way to make this award meaningful and truly competitive from year to year.

I don't know that the award is really meaningful in any way but balancing multiple awards against club sizes is probably the best way to create some fairness that doesn't turn the award into an exclusive game of internet and large urban clubs. It doesn't, by itself at least, do anything to avoid BN winning the largest tier and I can't imagine the large urban clubs not throwing a huge fit over that. So I guess the GC could create an internet club section in which BNA will always win. There's also going to be a fight over where the lines are drawn between tiers. Nobody is going to want to be on the bottom of a tier when they could be on the top of the lower tier.

The probability for gamesmanship still exists here where clubs will inevitably contemplate cutting off membership numbers or rolling people off the roster to cut size to gain a numerical advantage in a lower tier. There has already been talk in this thread of clubs discouraging new brewers from entering NHC to avoid poor numbers against the Gambrinus so the probability of this gamesmanship occurring for COTY is almost certain. Again I can't see how the GC can adopt rules that has such a high probability of making people feel unwelcome in homebrewing.

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: How much food do Brett and pedio need?
« on: June 17, 2015, 06:37:35 AM »
Agreed. Do not do that to your barrel.

Commercial Beer Reviews / Re: Sour Gushers
« on: June 17, 2015, 06:16:08 AM »
I did not expect that kind of a response from Cascade. Serve at 40? Too damn cold.

Wood/Casks / Re: Porter burbon oaked and dryhop
« on: June 16, 2015, 09:14:14 AM »
I'm not sure what you're going for with the saaz but when I think of dry hopping a porter saaz isn't where I would go.

Ingredients / Re: Hemp - IPA
« on: June 16, 2015, 09:06:53 AM »
I had a pale ale with hemp seeds from some brewery in Missouri. It isn't nutty like, well nuts. It's more of a straw-like flavor with some herbal and nutty flavors.

Ingredients / Re: Ingredient Substitute Question
« on: June 16, 2015, 09:01:48 AM »
Medium crystal is usually English medium crystal which tends to be 50-60L more akin to domestic crystal 60.

Beer Recipes / Re: Brett C.
« on: June 16, 2015, 08:56:12 AM »
Brett is going to be a long fermentation if you pitch it with saccharomyces in any style. A 100% brett beer will ferment out faster than a brett secondaried beer but might take a week or two longer than a normal saccharomyces fermentation if you pitch proper amounts for a 100% brett beer.

Beer Recipes / Re: Brewing "Silent Time Dubbel" this Weekend
« on: June 16, 2015, 08:52:08 AM »
All I can say is at 0.8 gallons you'll have a tough time squeezing out eight bottles. Trub loss will cut out a bottle or so.

Events / Re: NHC 2016 Location
« on: June 16, 2015, 08:47:56 AM »
Just my speculation, but the last two conferences held in the South, Dallas and Orlando, were the biggest (maybe only) financial losses the NHC has ever had. The Orlando conference was widely skipped due to a very high cost of transportation for most of the country. I was there, and the Florida liquor laws made for a very awkward situation (no beer in the hallways, for instance).

The southern states have been slow to catch on to the craft beer movement, minus Asheville, and there are few major cities with enough breweries and craft bars to drive people to want to come out for a week of drinking. There are some good breweries across the region but the concentration just isn't the same yet. So I certainly understand why we have been left out of the NHC site list.

In 2002 Dallas had very little craft beer presence. I can't see why anybody would have wanted to come to Dallas at that time for the beer scene. There are longstanding homebrewing clubs but it's not like people go to NHC to hang out with the local clubs. In many ways we are still a long way off from many other metropolitan areas. For example, Dallas-Fort Worth is 2/3 the size of the Baltimore-Washington D.C. metro area but we don't even have a fraction of the number of breweries listed by Mark. Things are changing and it may not be too long before Austin or DFW hosts an NHC in the future.

Commercial Beer Reviews / Re: Sour Gushers
« on: June 16, 2015, 08:33:21 AM »
Prairie has received a lot of flack for their poor bottling practices. Their beers are known gushers around here. Many people (including myself) won't buy Prairie anymore over the gushing and the fact that the owner declines to respond to anybody about it.

I'm surprised you had that problem with the Cascade. I haven't heard that happening much. I would reach out to them and let them know. They might be more responsive.

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