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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Souring old home brew
« on: June 23, 2015, 06:21:53 PM »
What's wrong with the beer as it is now?

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 23, 2015, 02:05:24 PM »
While this thread  has been "civil" there is an undercurrent of anti-BN sentiment.

I disagree with that interpretation. There are a few people who dislike the BN but their complaints about the COTY award are independent from their opinion of the BN. I do not believe they would have a change of heart about COTY if some other similar entity was winning. If the forum members at Northern Brewer's forum decided they wanted to list Northern Brewer as their club and the owners got up and accepted the award I believe most, maybe all, of the people in this thread insisting upon a change in the rules would have the same issue.

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Liquid Yeast > Dry Yeast?
« on: June 23, 2015, 12:40:56 PM »
I can't recall seeing any evidence that suggests dry yeast is inferior to liquid yeast. I've made beer with both without any problems. I buy 05 over the liquid versions due to cost. I reuse the slurry and it's no different from the dry version in my experience. However, I find for expressive yeast the dry versions are lacking in flavor development. There are far better strains available in liquid format. I don't think that has anything to do with the moisture content just the strains selected for sale (although maybe strain selection was made for viability as dry yeast).

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Carbonating aged beer
« on: June 23, 2015, 12:33:49 PM »
If you are going to bottle without first kegging the beer then I'd add fresh yeast and prime with sugar using a calculation that sets the temperature at the warmest temperature the beer ever reached and then add 10-15% priming sugar. This accounts for the loss of dissolved CO2 due to temperature and the length of time the beer sat in a unpressurized vessel. There is undoubtedly a better formula to determine CO2 loss due to time but this is what works for me.

Force carbing and bottling off the keg would be easier.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 23, 2015, 12:28:38 PM »
They are having a discussion about this over on the BN forums:

Someone from QUAFF even discusses that they would be the obvious winner if the BN were to disband, but the best comment IMHO is the person who states that the BN should not change anything as it the AHA's issue, not their's, which I wholeheartedly agree with. I'm still puzzled on how the BN separates the business from the club as I still don't think they have defined that line. Not that they have to, but since Justin seems to want to emphasize a separation between the 2, then I am curious how they go about doing that.

Other than the use of the BN forum as a rally point I wasn't aware the BN business had any involvement in the organization of participants in competitions.

I wonder if a greater disparity would have been noticed with less hop presence in the beer.

Regarding other categories, I thought of the 10.1, but my entry was an IPA, not a pale ale.  Live and learn.

Not according to the style guidelines. According to their style guidelines it sounds like your beer would have been a better fit for 10.1 regardless of what you want to call it.

This is a good example of what will probably be the experience of many with beers labeled with "session" because it's a phrase with no particular meaning and a lot of differing opinions on what it should mean both with respect to IPA and all the other styles for which it is attached. I foresee a lot of disappointed entrants who find their session IPAs underperform in IPA categories where they could have been entered in a pale ale category with better results. Similar results await those entering session fill-in-the-blank in catch-all categories because there are no categories specific for session-labeled beers who are competing against a pile of 10% RIS with 50 ingredients.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: What Style?
« on: June 19, 2015, 12:58:52 PM »
Hoppy xanthous ale.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: NHC Date...
« on: June 19, 2015, 07:15:58 AM »
I guess I'm just curious why the AHA chose what ends up being the last week of school for many kids as the week for NHC? Why not push it to a "safer" weekend a couple weeks later?

Maybe it's time for you to lobby your school district to start and end the school year earlier so you are free to attend NHC.

I had no idea kids regularly went to school into June. When I was a kid I think we had to go once or twice at the end of June because we had too many snow days. I remember finding that blasphemous as a kid. All the districts around here, as far as I know, end the regular school year the week before Memorial Day.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: NHC Date...
« on: June 19, 2015, 07:12:02 AM »
I guess I don't understand the significance of the last day of school. I was always thrilled but it wasn't something I celebrated.

Traveling in winter sucks. I've had flights canceled due to snow and ice before. That is no fun.

Now they do graduation parties or ceremonies seemingly every year.

Ingredients / Re: Grains that you don't crush
« on: June 19, 2015, 07:03:00 AM »
Greg Noonan, RIP, proposed in Brewing Lager Beer that roasted grains and malts not be crushed to reduce their astringency.  This of course reduces the amount of flavor extracted.

What Noonan suggested and the current fad of cold steeping roasted grain isn't that far apart. Just two ways to try to avoid astringency without having to deal so carefully with water chemistry.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 19, 2015, 06:36:41 AM »
You mean that it is based on something that is as silly as brewing as a competitive sport.  This thread has only strengthened my belief that the National Homebrew Conference and the National Homebrew Competition need to be separate events like the Craft Brewers Conference and the Great American Beer Festival.  The National Homebrew Competition is too divisive.

Is it really that divisive? This thread is about the least important award in the whole competition and the thread has been extremely civil over a necessarily competitive subject. I've seen fellow lawyers have more vicious discussions over the use of one or two spaces after the end of a sentence.

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: How much food do Brett and pedio need?
« on: June 18, 2015, 08:02:17 AM »
I would agree with your premise if you knew no further acetate will be formed in the beer. However, there is a good probability that whatever has been creating acetate will continue to do so and over time that beer will become unpleasant with excessive ethyl acetate. If that is the case and you put that in the beer then you may have a barrel that always creates ethyl acetate. Subsequent cleanings might get rid of the problem but might not. In my opinion, and seemingly the opinion of many others in this thread, is that the risk of creating a bad barrel is not worth it.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 18, 2015, 07:53:40 AM »
I don't know what the answer is...... but, ultimately the problem is pretty simple.  For a long time big clubs, in big metropolitan areas that have the ability to draw from a million+ people won the award.  Along came a club that had the ability to draw from an even bigger pool of people, has more members and gets more people to participate.... so, now they win all the time.  The clubs that are no longer the biggest want the rules changed so that they are the biggest clubs again....  In the end, you are simply swapping one big club with huge reach, for several big clubs with more reach than almost everyone else.  The VAST majority of clubs still have zero chance of winning the award in this structure.


Excluding the BN just means the same group of large clubs go back to battling over a prize only they are able to win and seemingly feel they are only entitled to win. The award is no more exclusionary and no more of a popularity contest. These clubs just want to rig the rules so they go back to winning. It's an extremely elitist perspective and I don't see how the GC can fairly think redesigning the rules specifically to exclude BNA or other internet groups is consistent with the AHA's mission to expand homebrewing.

The underlying implication of changing the rules to exclude the BNA, aside from giving the urban clubs back their COTY award, is the message that the relationships and involvement of people in the BNA is inferior to those who associate with a physical club, no matter how organized or involved that physical club may be. Again I do not agree that creating rules designed to exclude or devalue the participation of some people in the hobby is consistent with the AHA's mission.

Some combination of like-sized clubs, and/or reward for consistency of entering quality beer seems to be the only way to make this award meaningful and truly competitive from year to year.

I don't know that the award is really meaningful in any way but balancing multiple awards against club sizes is probably the best way to create some fairness that doesn't turn the award into an exclusive game of internet and large urban clubs. It doesn't, by itself at least, do anything to avoid BN winning the largest tier and I can't imagine the large urban clubs not throwing a huge fit over that. So I guess the GC could create an internet club section in which BNA will always win. There's also going to be a fight over where the lines are drawn between tiers. Nobody is going to want to be on the bottom of a tier when they could be on the top of the lower tier.

The probability for gamesmanship still exists here where clubs will inevitably contemplate cutting off membership numbers or rolling people off the roster to cut size to gain a numerical advantage in a lower tier. There has already been talk in this thread of clubs discouraging new brewers from entering NHC to avoid poor numbers against the Gambrinus so the probability of this gamesmanship occurring for COTY is almost certain. Again I can't see how the GC can adopt rules that has such a high probability of making people feel unwelcome in homebrewing.

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: How much food do Brett and pedio need?
« on: June 17, 2015, 06:37:35 AM »
Agreed. Do not do that to your barrel.

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