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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: pale ale hops
« on: January 23, 2015, 09:47:09 PM »
You need to add a fourth "C" to the list; namely, Cluster.  I recently brewed an all Cluster  British-style IPA as an experiment. I even performed a hop stand with cluster.  I turned out amazingly well for a hop that gets so little respect from home and craft brewers.

Cluster is usually in my freezer. It gets little respect, but the acreage has started to increase.

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Beer Travel / Re: 1 month in Germany
« on: January 23, 2015, 08:49:14 PM »
Kneitinger came to mind also Leos.

Bamberg is a must, you will be close. Do it!

There are many places around Bamberg. Forcheim, Buttenheim, Memmeldorf, Merkendorf. Many I do not know.




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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: commerical schwarzbier examples
« on: January 23, 2015, 08:26:22 PM »
Koestritzer and Moenschof come to mind from my time in Germany.

Devils Backbone makes a very good one, don't know if you can find it, I can't.

Devils backbone clone i just did from his talk at NHC and it's tasty except for to much mouthfeel from melanoidin. Will drop to lighter munich (11 to 15L) and much less melanoidin if at all. The Bohemian brewery in salt lake makes a tasty one (Cherny Bock)

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Schwartz
Brewer: Quattlebaum
Asst Brewer:
Style: Schwarzbier (Black Beer)
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Boil Size: 5.66 gal
Post Boil Volume: 4.16 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 3.50 gal   
Bottling Volume: 3.25 gal
Estimated OG: 1.050 SG
Estimated Color: 28.3 SRM
Estimated IBU: 24.2 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 73.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 83.4 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt                   Name                                     Type          #        %/IBU         
4 lbs 14.8 oz         Pilsner (Betz) (1.7 SRM)                 Grain         1        75.9 %       
8.3 oz                Blackprinz  (Briess) (500.0 SRM)         Grain         2        8.0 %         
6.0 oz                Munich 20L (Briess) (20.0 SRM)           Grain         3        5.8 %         
5.9 oz                Melanoidin (Weyermann) (30.0 SRM)        Grain         4        5.7 %         
4.8 oz                Carared (20.0 SRM)                       Grain         5        4.6 %         
0.63 oz               Tradition [6.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min       Hop           6        22.1 IBUs     
0.20 oz               Tettnang [3.80 %] - Boil 15.0 min        Hop           7        2.0 IBUs     
1.0 pkg               Saflager Lager (DCL/Fermentis #W-34/70)  Yeast         8        -             


Mash Schedule: (208) Single Infusion, Light Body, No Mash Out, Fly
Total Grain Weight: 6 lbs 7.8 oz
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Name              Description                             Step Temperat Step Time     
Mash In           Add 3.00 gal of water at 159.3 F        148.0 F       60 min       

Sparge: Fly sparge with 3.44 gal water at 168.0 F
Notes:
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less melanoidin and lighter munich
Thanks for that, the beer at the talk was great. It is on the list to brew soon. Could yeast differences be part of what you say?

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: commerical schwarzbier examples
« on: January 23, 2015, 08:23:39 PM »
Koestritzer and Moenschof come to mind from my time in Germany.

Devils Backbone makes a very good one, don't know if you can find it, I can't.

I really like the Moenschof. Kostriker is ok.
Koestritzer was always on at our favorite Pizza place in Wiesbaden, and was a change up from the usual Koenig Pils.

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The Pub / Re: Elysian Just sold to Anheuser-Busch
« on: January 23, 2015, 08:19:00 PM »

The more I think about it the more I can't find the downside to these deals. The brewer, all the investors that helped them build, all get a nice return on their time and it opens up space in the market at the bottom for more new breweries. After all, there is no way that ABI is going to continue to maintain hundreds of tiny operations with all the overhead associated with that. They still don't seem to get that the consumer wants to buy from a small independent guy just as much as they want to buy xyz brand of beer.

It is a brewpub. Is AB getting into a food business? Good luck.

exactly! on comparitive scale it doesn't even matter if the profit margin is through the roof the actual net profit is a drop in the bucket to AB. It's just not going to be worth it to them to maintain the tiny separate operation.
4 brewpubs and a semi-large production facility, total around 50K bbls.

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The Pub / Re: Please Help Me Plan My Trip To The US
« on: January 23, 2015, 08:10:41 PM »
I'd fly across the country just to go to Tornado in San Fran right now. I've been to the San Diego location, close, but no cigar. ;)

We went to the SD Toronado before the 2011 NHC. We thought it was a parallel universe Toronado. The staff were mostly young ladies (they did have lots of tattoos) that were helpful and cheerful. The bathrooms were semi-clean and not totally stinky. There was a little patio out back that was in the sun and looked to be a great place to set, but some that we know from the Falcons were well ensconced, and having too much fun! The clientele was as we can say, a little different from what we were used to at the original.

Mrs R and I like the SF Toronado, just because.  8)

Edit - there is now one in Seattle, if you can believe that.

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: BSI Yeast Sample
« on: January 23, 2015, 08:02:12 PM »
Nice. Is it the Augustener or one of the Abby strains.

Some say WLP-860 = Augustener.
WLP-835 Lagar X rhymes with Kloster Andechs.

The Ettal or Weltenberger would be interesting. When living in Germany I had some of the Weltenberger beers, and those are very malty.

It is the Ettal strain.  Kind of flying blind here.......no info on the yeast from BSI website.
Never had beers (or heard about) Ettal. Let us know what you think of the yeast.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: commerical schwarzbier examples
« on: January 23, 2015, 10:20:06 AM »
Koestritzer and Moenschof come to mind from my time in Germany.

Devils Backbone makes a very good one, don't know if you can find it, I can't.

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: BSI Yeast Sample
« on: January 23, 2015, 09:55:13 AM »
Nice. Is it the Augustener or one of the Abby strains.

Some say WLP-860 = Augustener.
WLP-835 Lagar X rhymes with Kloster Andechs.

The Ettal or Weltenberger would be interesting. When living in Germany I had some of the Weltenberger beers, and those are very malty.

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The Pub / Re: English brews
« on: January 23, 2015, 08:01:08 AM »
If the Pride is fresh, find one on a store shelf near you, then compare the two. Fresh is best for that beer. Better yet on cask!

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Your bookshelf becomes mostly brewing books.

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The Congress mash uses malt that has been turned into flour, that sets the upper limit for the malt.

If one were to mash uncrushed malt, that would set the lower limit.  ;D


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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: pale ale hops
« on: January 22, 2015, 12:18:45 PM »
+1 to Mosaic, great hop.  It actually works pretty well in a single hop pale ale.

Tom Schmidlin brewed a very nice Mosaic APA for Stan Heironymus's talk at the Seattle NHC. That used the Hop 2 It recipe from Russian River, which is how Vinnie sees what a new hop brings to the party. I have been using that to evaluate new hops such as Empire and Mandarina Bavaria.

You can fin the recipe in a slide at the end of Stans talk in 2012.
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/resources/conference-seminars/



I remember reading that about the Mosaic beers there.  BTW, have you tried your Mandarina Bavaria beer yet ?. Very nice hop. It's another good medium intensity hop that's great for pale ale . Or a few other styles for that matter.

Had a sip the other night, it need to finish carbing and drop bright. It has potential.


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Kegging and Bottling / Re: Leaking Regulator
« on: January 22, 2015, 11:58:39 AM »
There is a poppet between the tank high pressure and the diaphragm regulator. If the high went to 0 with the tank off, the leak is on the high pressure side. Make sure the regulator to the tank valve fitting is tight and the washer is good. Once I had to tighten the high pressure gage on a regulator to stop a leak.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: pale ale hops
« on: January 22, 2015, 11:45:43 AM »
+1 to Mosaic, great hop.  It actually works pretty well in a single hop pale ale.

wondered about that. the description of being citra on steroids made me think it could become overpowering..especially all by itself in higher concentrations. it doesn't end up a passion fruit bomb?

It does not have the oil content that Citra does. It has a different character.

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