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Ingredients / Re: Hop Schedule
« on: September 05, 2012, 06:34:27 AM »
That chart has been around for a time, and is good in concept but poor in practice. I have never seen where it originated, or back up references.

The flavor and aroma curves don't exactly fit what some say is best. I get great flavor and aroma from whirlpool additions, for example.

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Ingredients / Re: 2012 Czech hops harvest
« on: September 04, 2012, 06:48:43 PM »
Stan also said that Saaz=Tettnanger=Spalt=Lublin as far as DNA testing goes. Terroir is the difference.

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Ingredients / Re: 2012 Czech hops harvest
« on: September 04, 2012, 06:45:37 PM »
Didn't know Ultra had some Saaz, but it has reminded me of HM when I have used it.

Yeah Cascade is Fuggles and Serabrianka(SP).

Stan Hieronymus said Citra was from Hallertau, US Tettnanger(which is fuggles DNA), and about 3 or 4 more. Listen to his talk in the Members section.

We should like Fuggles then, but some say it tastes like dirt.  ;D

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Ingredients / Re: 2012 Czech hops harvest
« on: September 04, 2012, 03:46:58 PM »
Well, today it's good to hear that supply and prices shouldn't be affected, although I wonder if that only applies to commercial brewers with contracts.

FWIW, if you're pressed for an alternative to Czech Saaz, I highly recommend Ultra. I got some from Freshops this spring and I've been using them in every recipe calling for a noble hop since. They are the closest thing to Saaz I've tried. They smell and taste fantastic, with a touch of that cinnamon note I get from Saaz.
Ultra was bred from hallertau mittlefrueh, but being grown in the USA it might work for a saaz sub.

Try Sterling sometime, that was bred from Saaz.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Protein rest in RIP
« on: September 04, 2012, 07:51:13 AM »
I was more concerned with head retention.
The proteins help the head retention, along with hop oils.

With fully modified malts a protein rest may be detrimental, as you are reducing the proteins. This can help clarity foe some malts, but only a short rest is needed.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Palmer's Spreadsheet - Kettle addition
« on: September 04, 2012, 06:45:22 AM »
That summed it upnicely, Martin.

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The Pub / Re: Kia Sorento
« on: September 01, 2012, 07:28:31 PM »
17 years, 234K, original clutch on Tacoma.  Hope I did not just jinxs meself. ::)


What is the deal about diesels not being available in the US market?
I know a sweet little diesel Subaru I would love to have....alas not available in US.

Diesel emission standards in the USA being more stringent for some compounds IIRC. This requires more after treatment and control technology whichdrives up the price more, and we don't have the cheaper Diesel fuel to make the deal cost effective.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: White House Brew Recipe
« on: August 31, 2012, 07:59:47 AM »
Abraham Lincoln was the first president to reside in the current white house.
  >:(

I have learned a lot in this thread. Time to learn more. What do you and Tom me. I know the the British burned the White House in the War of 1812, it was rebuilt, and remodeled. Truman lived much of his term in Blair house.

Was Lincoln the first to live in the 3rd floor addition?

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: White House Brew Recipe
« on: August 30, 2012, 06:18:36 PM »
Though Washington and Jefferson are knnow to have made beer, they never lived in the White House - wasn't built/finished. IIRC Madison was the first to live there.

Jefferson did live there. It was built/finished before John Adams left office. Washington was only president not to have lived there at all.
I stand corrected.  Jefferson never brewed there, though.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: White House Brew Recipe
« on: August 30, 2012, 09:32:51 AM »
Though Washington and Jefferson are knnow to have made beer, they never lived in the White House - wasn't built/finished. IIRC Madison was the first to live there.

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Ingredients / Re: Czech versus US Saaz in a Bohemian Pilsner
« on: August 29, 2012, 06:27:38 AM »
Completely anecdotal, and I haven't compared them in a while, but a few years ago I seemed to be getting results from domestic mimics than with the domestic versions of Saaz or Hallertau or whatever. I think with Crystal, Vanguard, and Mt. Hood you have a better idea of what you're actually getting, plus you're getting hops that are specially selected for growing conditions in the PNW.

The ones you listed are HM daughters, along with Liberty and Ultra.

Sterling is a daughter of Saaz. Santium is from Tettnang.

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Beer Travel / Re: Colorado and Utah Trip?
« on: August 28, 2012, 12:25:17 PM »
We know the Falling Rock from the NHC in2007. Great place.
Will give some notice before we go to Prost probably next week.

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Beer Travel / Re: Colorado and Utah Trip?
« on: August 28, 2012, 04:43:05 AM »
Well if you are in Moab you might just skip the brewing scene there and head to the liquor store. Try some of Epic Brewery beers, they are out of SLC and only brew regular strength beers. Anything in the Exponential series they put out is worth trying and Brainless is an excellent Belgian beer.

That is an alternative. We will stop at Moab Brewing at least once, and they are in the AHA Members Deals (food).

We get Epic here in Michigan, and I have tried at least one of their beers.

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The Pub / Re: geography of craft beer
« on: August 27, 2012, 04:51:34 PM »
No, it's not an all or nothing at all proposition.  Government has its place.  But, its place is not everywhere controlling everything.

Good news! There is nowhere on the planet where the gov't is everywhere, controlling everything.

Somalia.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Fermentation Temp Control (Texas)
« on: August 27, 2012, 04:20:50 PM »
no Saguros are native plants in Texas

Tumbleweeds aren't either  ;)

Tumbleweeds are Russian Thistle, which was brought over as a decorative plant by Russian imigrants. It spread easily here in NA.

Edit - Saguaros are native to Arizona and just a little of Southern California across the Colorado Rriver here in the USA. Saguaros are also abundant in Sonora Mexico.

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