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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Lagering in a keg on it's side?
« on: May 07, 2014, 07:44:23 PM »
Horizontal lagering tanks are how big lager breweries do it. The beer clears quicker as the "stuff" has less height to settle out of. If you can keep them sealed good. Then if you can rack to a fresh keg while the original are on the side it would work.

I have time to let my Cornies settle, FWIIW.

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Going Pro / Re: Hop contracts and obtaining hops
« on: May 07, 2014, 07:17:01 PM »
So I know as a homebrewer I can find the most popular hops for somewhere around 16-22 dollar a pound. Just curious as to what a brewery with a hop contract pays per pound for the popular varieties.

Retailers usually double up at most.  if they sell them for 20 bucks id bet 12-14 with shipping etc.  Im planning worst case at 20$ a pound and if i do better, awesome.  Atleast im ready for the worst case.
In Ken Grossman's book he says the hops they raise are expensive at $30 a pound, while the ones they buy on contract are 1/10 that. You do the math. One might not have the buying power of a Sierra Nevada when starting out.

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Kegging and Bottling / Re: Keg Manufacturer Preference
« on: May 07, 2014, 02:09:58 PM »
I wish the 3 gallon kegs cost less. But they cost just as much, and more in some cases, than the 5 gallon kegs. It's crazy. I usually put in the comments of the order to make sure the posts can be removed before shipping.

There are some good prices for 4 3-gallon pin locks here:
http://www.homebrewing.org/FOUR-3-Gallon-Cornelius-Style-Pin-Lock-Used-Kegs-_p_4673.html

Also, I'm looking to grab these 4 pin locks (http://www.homebrewing.org/Set-of-Four-5-Gallon-Pin-Lock-Kegs-Used_p_3179.html) to separate out my typical beers in my ball locks from sours in my pin locks. But if you're just looking to get the cheaper kegs, this cannot steer you wrong.

Somehow Jason at AiH keeps finding kegs. I am resisting temptation on the 3 gallon pin locks, well so far.

A while back I bought some from the front of the store that had lose handles or feet. For $29 each I picked up 2. That brought me up to 32 5 gallon kegs and 2 3 gallon, all ball lock.

Wow...I need to get on your level. Still rocking 8 5gal Ball lock cornies, but it works for what I have!

More than half of those get ties up with lagers. Add in some ciders and big beers for longer aging, and soon you find that you need to manage the ones that are available for everyday beers. The 3 gallon kegs come in handy for a beer that is half gone, but I want to keep for a while.

I know some with more kegs than I have.

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Kegging and Bottling / Re: Keg Manufacturer Preference
« on: May 07, 2014, 01:11:11 PM »
I wish the 3 gallon kegs cost less. But they cost just as much, and more in some cases, than the 5 gallon kegs. It's crazy. I usually put in the comments of the order to make sure the posts can be removed before shipping.

There are some good prices for 4 3-gallon pin locks here:
http://www.homebrewing.org/FOUR-3-Gallon-Cornelius-Style-Pin-Lock-Used-Kegs-_p_4673.html

Also, I'm looking to grab these 4 pin locks (http://www.homebrewing.org/Set-of-Four-5-Gallon-Pin-Lock-Kegs-Used_p_3179.html) to separate out my typical beers in my ball locks from sours in my pin locks. But if you're just looking to get the cheaper kegs, this cannot steer you wrong.

Somehow Jason at AiH keeps finding kegs. I am resisting temptation on the 3 gallon pin locks, well so far.

A while back I bought some from the front of the store that had lose handles or feet. For $29 each I picked up 2. That brought me up to 32 5 gallon kegs and 2 3 gallon, all ball lock.

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The Pub / Re: Tangents
« on: May 07, 2014, 07:45:45 AM »
I hate the Giants.  Go Dodgers!

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Baseball, what a great sport. Ted Williams was a Korean War fighter pilot when he wasn't playing for the Sox. Fighter planes are really cool, too.
His wingman in Korea was John Glenn.

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Ingredients / Re: Enriched Corn Meal
« on: May 06, 2014, 09:54:12 AM »
I have used the Kroger brand degeremed enriched corn meal for years in my CAPs with good results. The store is local and the store brand price is much less than polenta. Course ground grits can be hard to work with sometimes.
Well then I don't feel so bad... This is Meijer brand but also for a CAP ;-)
That will work fine. The Meijer closest to me is about 10 miles, the Kroger in the Village is <1 mile.

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Going Pro / Re: Hop contracts and obtaining hops
« on: May 06, 2014, 08:25:26 AM »
One of the best takes on the rapid rise of new breweries opening was something like this.

"There are hundreds of new breweries opening or in planning with recipes designed around hops they will not be able to get."

One of the realities of the supply chain of hops.

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: NHC
« on: May 06, 2014, 07:24:40 AM »
I hope my bringing up "peat/earth" wasn't taken as sour grapes. That judge gave me a 40, and other good feedback. I'm a happy camper and plan on placing in the 9 cat next year with a few minor tweaks.

As far as score sheet quality goes, this was my first comp to enter and first to judge. There were a few beers that I'm certain my score sheets left a lot to be desired. I'm grateful that I was paired with a real judge, so the brewer will have at least one good sheet. I learned a ton though, and my sheets will just get better. Public apology to anyone who gets a crap score sheet from me.

The Strong Scotch Ale I had in the first round had a 40.5, and the judges commented on the smoke in the beer (can't remember if they said peat). No smoke or peat was used in making that beer. Might be the phenolics that 1728 is said to produce. To be honest I don't get anything smokey from this beer. It just might be that since they were looking for it they convinced themselves that they found it.

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Ingredients / Re: Enriched Corn Meal
« on: May 06, 2014, 07:19:24 AM »
I have used the Kroger brand degeremed enriched corn meal for years in my CAPs with good results. The store is local and the store brand price is much less than polenta. Course ground grits can be hard to work with sometimes.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Changing step mash to single
« on: May 06, 2014, 07:13:34 AM »
I will add that Pilsners I make are 100% Pilsner malt. I don't think you need anything but Pilsner malt.

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Kegging and Bottling / Re: Keg Manufacturer Preference
« on: May 06, 2014, 05:39:54 AM »

I wish the 3 gallon kegs cost less. But they cost just as much, and more in some cases, than the 5 gallon kegs. It's crazy. I usually put in the comments of the order to make sure the posts can be removed before shipping.

The difference in the amount of steel is minimal. I'm sure most of it is labor.  If there was a price difference, it would be very small due to materials and freight.
New 3 gal kegs cost less than 5 gallon kegs. Small difference in price. There is the same amount of parts, just a little less steel, the number of welds is the same. The labor would be almost identical.

In the used market the high cost for the 3 is due to the low number that were made. I have seen some large used cornies, 15 gallons, and the price on those was very high due to the rarity.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Changing step mash to single
« on: May 06, 2014, 04:32:56 AM »
The brewer just pulled some small amounts of the thick part to do a decoction to maintain 150F. That would not have as much pulled to do a decoction step from the protein rest to sach. rest. So that would have much less Maillard reactions happening. He did not say how long it was boiled. I would only go to 0.5 Lb. of melanoidin malt, if that much, to make up for no decoction.




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Beer Travel / Re: Asheville-Bryson CIty stops?
« on: May 05, 2014, 09:43:48 AM »
Was just talking to Mrs. R that we should do a drive to Asheville and spend a few days there this fall.

Thanks for the tips Mike.

Sierra Nevada should have the tap room open later this year, so that may work out for us too.

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The Pub / Re: quotations
« on: May 05, 2014, 09:40:42 AM »
Ben Franklin didn't say that.

"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

It no longer matters if Ben Franklin said it or didn't.

I have seen it printed on T shirts, so it has to be true!

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2014 NHC forum meet up
« on: May 05, 2014, 09:02:14 AM »
Thanks Fred.

I also say we should make it as a "Everyone online come and meet up with your groups type of situation"

Yep, good idea.  There are people from every forum I participate in going to NHC.  It would be great to have a big room for a set time and invite all forums to show up.

That will have to be a big room!

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