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Beer Recipes / Re: IPA Recipe
« on: June 17, 2014, 06:57:52 AM »
my only complaint is I don't think you need the cara pils.

At GR Jeremy Kosmicki said he does not pay attention to what is said in the interwebz. He brews to his taste, uses a lot of carapils and crystal in his beers, and is after balance, not the West Coast thing.

It was refreshing to hear that. Not that I like carapils and crystal , but I appreciate the end beer.

What about books? Is it ok to listen to what's said in them? If so I'd suggest to consult Mitch Steele's IPA book about the over use of crystal malt in IPA brewing. I'm assuming Mitch brews to his taste too. ;)

Seriously, I agree that everyone should brew to your taste. My tastes don't appreciate the combination of too much crystal malt in addition to american C hops. But I don't think the OP is doing theat here. That said, I still don't think the .5 lb of cara pils really does much for the recipe.

He is one of those West Coast guys.  ;)

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2014 NHC Seminars
« on: June 17, 2014, 06:55:45 AM »
I would say it's usually about a month after the conference if I remember correctly.
Agreed, and some presentations take a little longer to show up. Some will be on the site in a month or so.

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Events / Re: 2014 NHC Grand Rapids Review
« on: June 17, 2014, 06:53:25 AM »
The BN as Club of the Year is a complete sham.   Quaff was robbed again.  When is HomebrewTalk going to form a club??   

I believe HBT is a registered club as is Chop and Brew.
Quaff got close but the rumor going around was they were purposely entering in different regions so they wouldn't be competing against each other in the first round.  Also, there was a rumor (can't verify though) that they were willing to give entrants a free first year membership if they entered under QUAFF.

I didnt mind the BN winnning as a club in the beginning, but now that they are a Business first, IMO that makes them not a club. Time to explore a rule change there on what identifies you as a club.

FYI.. The Brewing Network CLUB was not setup by Justin or anyone on the BN staff.  It was a BN listener that didn't have a local club near them.  I've won under the BN club before but since have joined a local club and always enter under them.  Justin accepts the award for the BN club, but has always made an effort to get those prizes out to the actually winners (he gave away a whole Lost Abbey gift set that the club won last year to the winners).

I think Club-only comp points for the first part of the year were included since they still had those comps through May/June.  I believe this is where the BN get a bunch of points.

Regardless, the rules were followed and the BN Army won fair and square.  Ask the GC to bring up the issue this year and change the rules, but you do so by alienating several members with no local club.

The booing this year was the worse it's been in the past three years.  There was more of that than people applauding.  It really is a shame, and puts a black mark on a substantial percentage of the AHA membership.

QUAFF used to get boos, so did the St. Paul club at the end of their streak. Both had multiple Ninkasi winners in the club that helped the win. Some did not like that fact.

After the ceremony I was talking up front. Justin said QUAFF lost by 6 points. He said they should take it to the BN as next year it is on QUAFF's home court. Then Kurt Stock told Justin he was joining QUAFF next year. Zing! Kurt has a great sense of humor, said that if you don't know him.

I agree that BN won fair and square under the rules that take virtual clubs into account.

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: First Funky
« on: June 17, 2014, 06:13:05 AM »
The brett will actually convert some of the esters/phenols and acids produced by the saccharomyces strain that the initial beer is fermented with changing them into more funky compounds that we all know and love in these wild styles.
Greg Doss did a talk a a few years back that had samples. Clean yeast strains gave insipid funky beers, 3878 was wonderful as the primary yeast. The talk is on the conference page somewhere.

What does that trick do?

It adds starch for the bugs and critters. Easier than the traditional turbid mash by a bunch.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2014 NHC Seminars
« on: June 17, 2014, 04:56:31 AM »
Those take some time. The AHA staff was at the conference, and has to unpack in Boulder. They moved to a new office 2 weeks ago. Give it some time.

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The gurus in West MI like Hill Brothers in Alpine MI.

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: First Funky
« on: June 17, 2014, 04:46:14 AM »
One trick for pseudo Lambics is to mix in some wheat flour near the end of boil.

Keep the hops at 10 IBU or less.

If you want more funk from Brett use phenolic yeast like 3787. Roselare has 2 Belgian wheat/wit yeast strains.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2014 NHC forum meet up
« on: June 16, 2014, 07:45:01 PM »
I'm sure you could ship to the hotel and get it at check in. Most will do that.

I've also checked lots of craft and homebrew in my luggage.

Sent from my XT1030 using Tapatalk



Thanks, Jimmy for the insight.  I have not checked a bag in so long that I didn't think about that!  Good to know on both counts.

Jeff - I wanted to give something back to the hobby and Carol was sooo grateful for the helpers.  Besides, pouring beer to beer enthusiasts is no hardship - the easiest volunteer job I have ever done, for sure.

+1. You also get a T shirt, right.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2014 NHC forum meet up
« on: June 16, 2014, 07:09:21 PM »
I'm in the front row on the far left.  I should have brought beer - but it was my first conference and I didn't know a whole lot about the protocol.  My question for San Diego is how to get beer out there, if I fly out there next June.  Any thoughts on that?  It would be nice to be able to ship some, like you would to a contest. 

By the way - Denny and Drew's talk was the most entertaining one that I attended!  I had a lot of fun at the NHC and volunteered six hours, so I look forward to listening to the seminars I missed.

Cheers, all!

If you volunteered, you earn extra interwebz points! Good on you!

The conference depends on volunteers to do the behind the scenes jobs.

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Beer Recipes / Re: IPA Recipe
« on: June 16, 2014, 06:46:11 PM »
my only complaint is I don't think you need the cara pils.

At GR Jeremy Kosmicki said he does not pay attention to what is said in the interwebz. He brews to his taste, uses a lot of carapils and crystal in his beers, and is after balance, not the West Coast thing.

It was refreshing to hear that. Not that I like carapils and crystal , but I appreciate the end beer.

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: Ninkasi
« on: June 16, 2014, 06:38:50 PM »
You and Larry Reuter would have won if you had put the silver in you name. Donna was listed first on the IPA silver.

I always am listed first for our beers, as that is the reality - numbers, process, heavy lifting are my domain.

that's a misunderstanding people have come to a lot.
I got a gold, for one of my 4 entries.
Cole got a Silver, with me as the co-brewer, for his only entry.
(another guy got 1 of 2 in the finals, but no medals, with me as a co-brewer).
2 medals out of 7 entries with me somewhere on there.  Not 2 under my AHA number.

so Cole+Michael and Michael are separate teams and separate point totals, as it should be.

as for the Reuters, if they are a husband/wife duo who each entered 2, with the other as their cobrewer, then they deserve Ninkasi.  If they used the fact that they've got two AHA numbers to get 5-8 entries, up to 4 each with the spouse as each others' co-brewer, then they're in the same basic situation as Cole and I, and it's two different teams.

I see the nuances of the Ninkasi now, thanks for that insight.

At Zanesville I judged with Larry and was very glad to see them medal in the 2nd round.

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Events / Re: 2014 NHC Grand Rapids Review
« on: June 16, 2014, 06:30:03 PM »
Fatguybrew - the social club was in the Expo area in Philly. The vendors that I know were happy with the extra space in the expo this year, even with more vendors.

Jeff - there were some second round bottles in Conf. chair's suite afterwards. I don't know why they were there, or why not outside the banquet for the hour the tap was open.

In the expo there were brewery reps pouring beer, and I talked to several I know. There must be some language that makes that OK. At the Michigan Brewers Guild Festivals, the brewers and staff are pouring beer. At local festivals they can be behind the booth,but can't pour. I will have to ask about that.

I liked last year more because the entrance went through the social area, not to the side of a BN broadcast where no one could enter. But what I really ment was the after events social hour. It was just outside the halls. Having it in an area in the hotel last year worked really well I thought.

One difference was that very few AHA events were in the Hotel(s) this year. There were 2 wedding parties in the Amway Grand on Saturday night.

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Events / Re: 2014 NHC Grand Rapids Review
« on: June 16, 2014, 05:03:16 PM »
I'll post a few of my I observations as well. Let it 've known this was my second conference as I was in Philly last year.

Overall I thought the conference was a huge success. Every event has its hiccups and this was no exception but it was still a great event. I loved how the expo and the social club had a lot more room than last year. Made the expo much easier to get around. I also loved the beer at the expo. Having the professional brewers bring most of the beer there and serving all three days was better to me than one single night.

I didn't attend a lot of seminars since my wife came and that really wasn't here thing. Instead I took a few trips around town going to founders and Rockford brewing. All places were very accommodating and had excellent beers. I was lucky to have a vehicle there but felt GR was much easier to get around and had better breweries within walking distance than last year.

The couple things I didn't like were the after hours social well or whatever they called it. Was weird to just have thousands of people exit club night and have the social well in the lobby area of Devos center. I was expecting it to be in one of the ballrooms or somewhere else.

The banquet food was much better than last year and was very very good. Sean outdid himself this time. The beer was not as good. I was much more impressed with the offerings from rogue last year than what Sam Adams brought this year.

All in all, thought is was an A grade conference and would fully expect GR to host it again in the future. I hope to be able to get to San Diego next year as I hear it's a great beer city and wonderful weather.

Except for what the locals call the June gloom. It was chilly and overcast until afternoon. I will bring a vest.

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: Ninkasi
« on: June 16, 2014, 04:56:49 PM »
You and Larry Reuter would have won if you had put the silver in you name. Donna was listed first on the IPA silver.

I always am listed first for our beers, as that is the reality - numbers, process, heavy lifting are my domain.

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Events / Re: 2014 NHC Grand Rapids Review
« on: June 16, 2014, 11:20:20 AM »
Since others brought it up, the judging assignments was kinda crap.
1 - no labels - thanks for nothing - it's very minor, I brought my own, but if you can print out a sheet you can make labels.
2 - long line for judge registration - seemed completely silly. They had to mark your name off a sheet, I can mark my own name off a sheet. I skipped the line and turned in my sheet. If I passed you, I'm not sorry, I see no reason to wait in a long line when I printed my sheet ahead of time.
3 - I recruited a judge from another table so we could make four pairs. Seems odd I would have to do that. The other table had something like 12 judges and we had 7. It wasn't a big deal, but had it not happened we would have slowed in our entry judging.
4 - I heard some group of judges sent 4 beers to the mini-BOS. Really? Can you not decide on the best three beers from your flight? Are you all first time judges? (If this was you, yes I am calling you out.)
5 - I heard one group took HOURS to judge their flight. That is ridiculous. If you had two judges and 36 beers you should finish in 360 minutes. 4 judges 180 minutes, 6 judges 90 minutes, etc. (If this was you, yes I am calling you out. Speed up or let everyone know you probably should not be judging because the pyramids were built in less time.) [If I've missed some critical fact let me know, but to start judging at 9am and not finish till 1:30+ seems to indicate a problem with the judge panel.]

Positives
1 - our stewards were awesome
2 - 2nd beers from the cellar were retrieved very, very quickly
3 - plenty of cups, sheets, etc - again, our stewards were awesome
4 - no egos at our table - well, except mine
5 - our stewards were awesome ;)

I heard there was a database crash in Boulder, and half the registered judges were gone. My wife asked our friend who has run comps to help the person already at the table, but only so much could be done to help the situation.

Brought leftover labels from another comp, as I have found that to be a pragmatic solution.

As to a certain well known nation judge being slow, well, we know.  ::)

Ms. R, the head steward, will appreciate your comments on the awesome stewards.

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