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Beer Recipes / Re: Pre-planning a Harvest Ale... Please help.
« on: May 20, 2011, 07:06:43 PM »
Oh, and I saw the SN Southern Hemisphere Harvest at the store yesterday.  I looked very carefully.  It said Fresh Hop Ale in all caps on the neck label, Fresh Hop Ale in all caps on the bottle label, and the text had the word fresh in it two more times.  But it also said they were dried.  From their website

Like our Celebration Ale, the fresh hops in this beer are dried right after being picked then shipped immediately to Chico for brewing so that they retain their peak aromatics and flavors.

Tom - if you go to their website and look at the NORTHERN Hemisphere Harvest it clearly says Wet Hop.  It would be impossible logistically to have a Wet Hop Southern Hemisphere unless they brewed it on the spot.

*edited to fix quotations

Beer Recipes / Re: Helles - FWH + small late addition only
« on: May 20, 2011, 06:09:40 PM »
Perhaps the problem isn't the hops/hop schedule.
How's the malt flavor and aroma profile and body?
Perhaps the "bite" is carbonic bite, and the judge doesn't recognize the difference..

It very well could be carbonic bite - good point richardt.  It doesn't have it auf tap, in fact, in a blind tasting my wife thought Spaten Premium Lager had a more pronounced bitterness and spiciness whereas mine was cleaner and smoother (her words not mine). 

I felt the malt flavor was appropriate, maybe on the low end of guidelines.  The malt aroma was lower than I wanted, but its there and clearly pils malt. I don't know how to increase malt aroma.

I agree with my wife (did I just say that) that it lacks the spicy noble hop character.

I figure I might just try all FWH + a late addition and see - I'll use my original 60min amount though rather than figure the same IBUs at 20 and use that amount however - I've been burned too many times doing that and I'd rather err on the side of being too malty than too bitter.  I can adjust next batch if its not bitter enough.

Re: Matt - I don't know if I agree with lowering the Chlorides (which I would have to do via cutting with RO) and then adding gypsum - my usual plan of adding CaCl to get the Ca >50 doesn't add that much Chloride to the bill ; plus I always thought the Chlorides helped malt flavor, no? I'll have to fiddle with Martin's sheet this weeknd and come back to that - I may be totally wrong (now that my wife would agree with  ;D )

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Help me decide
« on: May 20, 2011, 01:34:15 PM »
How about you do something with that Alder smoked malt in your freezer?
Ouch!  I forgot it was there, what is there, 3 lbs?  You smoked it, what do you think I should use it in?

I know I'm not AE, but man if I had Alder smoked malt in my inventory, smoked porter all the way!

Well, the brewer at our local Rogue drove over to the brewery in Newport to pick up some Mt. Hood, so it looks like I'll be brewing a batch of Rye IPA at the Rogue here.  If you're in the Eugene area, it should be on tap in a few weeks.

that's way cool - what size batch are you doing?

The Pub / Re: Design Student - Redesign of Stone Packaging
« on: May 20, 2011, 02:09:47 AM »
I really love their logos. I'm not so sure about the new design yet. Perhaps it will grow on me.  :-\

It appears to be a college project and not an actual change.

Beer Recipes / Re: Helles - FWH + small late addition only
« on: May 20, 2011, 01:55:30 AM »
I think the water looks good, but I would personally sub a little CaSO4 for some of the CaCl to achieve a 2:1 ratio of SO4:Cl. 

Curious why since that would further accentuate the hop bite rather than malt?

Commercial Beer Reviews / Re: Sam Adams Latitude 48 IPA
« on: May 19, 2011, 09:05:12 PM »
Anybody seen this "deconstructed"? 
I picked up a special release 12 pack and they have single hopped versions of all 5 hops used in the original.

Zeus, Simcoe, Haller Mittle, Goldings, and Antanum.  It is a pretty cool deal, especially if you like IPA.

I think my favorite was the Zeus.

Check it out.

Yeah - I got it this weekend - tried the EKG, Zeus and Ahtanum so far - I like the last two but the EKG was a bit harsh actually.

Beer Recipes / Re: Helles - FWH + small late addition only
« on: May 19, 2011, 08:30:04 PM »
Paul, what type of hops did you use before and what are you thinking of using for the FWH version?

I was using Magnum for bittering (about 17-18 IBUs worth) at 60 min, with a small Hallertauer Mittlefruh addition at 10min (0.50 oz for 12gal).

For the FWH version I was thinking either using Mittlefruh all the way through or Tradition.  I would do Tettnanger, but I have a lot of the other two currently.

Beer Recipes / Re: Helles - FWH + small late addition only
« on: May 19, 2011, 08:02:18 PM »
I think it has more to do with you water.

could be, but I pay pretty close attention to that.

Here's my water:
Ca 23
Mg 4
HCO3 37
Na 21
Cl 70
SO4 12
pH 7.9

I added just enough CaCl to get my Ca level to about ~50ppm. 

I figured my water was okay - that's why I was going to try FWH this time.  whatchu think?

Beer Recipes / Re: Pre-planning a Harvest Ale... Please help.
« on: May 19, 2011, 07:45:16 PM »
I won't buy the Harvest Ale for that very reason.  Seriously. ;D

more for me then  ;D

you two are funny. 

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Help me decide
« on: May 19, 2011, 07:38:09 PM »

is that Barry's bacon wheat beer? ;D

Beer Recipes / Re: Pre-planning a Harvest Ale... Please help.
« on: May 19, 2011, 07:35:45 PM »

My only real problem with "fresh" is that, it's usually a term for less storage time. If I have dried hops that are 3 years old and dried hops that are from the latest harvest, one is fresh, but both are dried.  

here's one that will really "f" with you guys - Sierra Nevada refers to their Harvest Ale as 'wet hopped' while they refer to Celebration Ale as "fresh hopped"

ooooohhhhhh - you just got served  ;D ;)

The Pub / Re: Just because....
« on: May 19, 2011, 06:10:41 PM »
wow - Denny's got Spring, 1Vert's got Winter, and I've got Summer

As Don King would say - only in America  :D

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Help me decide
« on: May 19, 2011, 05:54:54 PM »
what about a small brown/mild?  that way you can have something with a bit of roasty toasty flavor when you don't want clove/wheat or hoppy flavors.

Beer Recipes / Helles - FWH + small late addition only
« on: May 19, 2011, 05:53:25 PM »
Got some comments back on my helles recently that said too much hop bitterness/hop bite. Only used 19IBUs (calculated) so I was kinda  ???

Was thinking of slightly reducing the 60min hop charge and instead using it as FWH.  Will keep the small late addition however (0.50oz Hall Mit at 10 min for 12gal)

Any thoughts on this switchup?

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