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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Canning your home-brew
« on: February 01, 2017, 09:31:54 AM »
The link I posted has small quantities. 


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I mean the screw cap can/bottles like Ball makes. I'd give a buck a piece for new ones.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Boil temps - do they matter?
« on: February 01, 2017, 09:23:46 AM »
I think that was Basic Brewing Radio back in December. Going from memory only, it was a berlinerweiss, no one, or not enough, detected DMS, but the lab found low levels in both.

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Commercial Beer Reviews / Re: Best of Craft 2017
« on: January 31, 2017, 09:21:10 PM »
Congrats to Tom and Postdoc for a Gold Medal - Kilty MacPumpkin!

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Canning your home-brew
« on: January 31, 2017, 07:51:58 PM »
I'd like to see a small scale supplier of can/bottles. They'd be great for shipping to competition. I think you have to buy a whole pallet at a time from Ball, maybe a truck load.

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No doubt Joe! Most people have all of the skills needed, reading, measuring, pouring, stiring... if they would actually stick with the book, they might get their legs under them quicker. Like, actually following How to Brew rather than just reading it and then jumping into inventing your own recipes for crazy invented beer styles.

I don't believe it's vital that everyone know WHY or HOW every aspect works. For example, I use a water calculator and usually adjust Ca, Mg, Na, Cl, and SO4, and acid adjustments, but I only have a super simplistic understanding of Why and How. If the only way one could create tasty beer was to know enough about chemistry to build your own water calculator... I would quit brewing

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Boil temps - do they matter?
« on: January 31, 2017, 10:07:20 AM »
After kicking this around a bit I think I will try a less vigorous boil on my next brew day. My current way is not ridiculously vigorous to begin with, but it's not terribly hard to simply look in the BK and turn the knob down a little. Plus I just switched from 10lb propane tanks to 30lb, so I might need to anyway. I always estimate 10% boil off, but I find it varies a little depending on humidity, temperature, wind etc. I'm not very anal about precisely hitting gravity targets either, within 5pts doesn't really bug me. So I'll try boiling just above a simmer next time.

I'm also going to try no sparge next brew day. One batch normal procedure, one no sparge. Maybe I'll let the normal one rip on the boil, and throttle back the no sparge one.

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Denny's point on repeatability is probably the most important thing in any attempt to "prove" a home brewing thing. (an home brewing?) Brü tends to do an experiment with one brewer and lots of tasters. Seems to lean toward stronger evidence of a conclusion on that brew. Denny and Drew use multiple brewers who may have less tasters each. That seems to provide stronger evidence regarding repeatability.

So, a conclusion that is based on numerical consensus if fine, but what if I can't repeat it? Scientifically proven data may be the strongest but if I can't detect it in my beer, does it really matter?

Example: a meter might show irrefutable evidence that there is DMS in a beer I boiled 60 min instead of 90, but if it's low enough that I can't detect it does it matter. I say no. But how should I present that info?

I reduced boil time from 90 to 60 and found no DMS so, no one has to boil 90 minutes... ever! As long as you don't care what the instrumentation says, and you boil on my equipment, and have the same sensitivity to DMS that I do.

I really think we'd all be doing ourselves a huge favor by learning how to interpret information and how we might apply it to our own needs, rather than always grabbing our pitch forks and torches.

Grains of salt in other words

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Let's not forget that this forum is unique in that it is impossible to 100% prove anything here. To attempt to do so is both folly and honorable. It's what we do. And it's not necessarily a bad thing. After all, our end product is ultimately judged entirety subjectively

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No fences

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Re-pitching yeast in beer from barrels
« on: January 30, 2017, 04:19:24 PM »
Not a barrel expert per se, but I've done several that sit a while before final packaging. I have had good luck bottle conditioning ales after 3-4 months secondary on fruit, 10%+ without extra yeast. Bret beers I really don't worry anymore regardless of age in primary or secondary. Bret lives a long long long time. If ever you are worried though I have had good results pitching a small amount of champagne dry yeast (1/2 pack plenty for 5 gallons).

I concur that your situation will be totally fine as is.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Message to the forum. from me.
« on: January 30, 2017, 02:47:10 PM »
Well, I just finished reading all of this. You guys owe me 15 minutes of my life back.

I'd suggest NOT creating division of the former just to appease, it will only cement the division. I think this will pass, or we'll all just kinda walk away. Up to everyone on which happens

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Message to the forum. from me.
« on: January 30, 2017, 02:41:25 PM »
Yet another thread that is falling apart into argumentation. Why?


This is why I mostly stopped posting here. Keith holds out an olive branch, asks for peace, and everyone wants to air their grievances, yet again. This is so painful to watch as I have met and interacted with many of you. It's disappointing.


The mods have an impossible job, that is contributing their experiences and opinions (which many value), as well as trying to maintain some semblance of order and propriety. This forum has been and remains a wonderful source of information - and deep experiences with all kinds of brewing. LODO isn't the first controversy that aired out here.


Imagine being a new brewer, asking a question and watching answers devolve into chaos. You would either walk away and never participate, or assume this is how the AHA and it's members communicate. God help them if they read some of the more controversial threads.


Mods - thank all of you for the hard work. The rest of us should take the earlier advice to look at our posts, and make sure they contribute positively. There should be no reason EVER for any personal attacks.


All I can do - is be open, respectful, and considerate of others opinions and positions... I have certainly learned to read and reread my posts before I hit that old POST button. I am the king of foot-in-mouth.
Great points from a great guy who makes great beer with humble attitude

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Message to the forum. from me.
« on: January 30, 2017, 02:37:22 PM »
Other mods may be more in tune with what is happening. I know I have seen objections to Bayareabrewer's posts, It is simply impossible for me to police every post made on this forum. If there were inappropriate posts by certain individuals it wasn't intentionally over looked. I promise that.

Again, this thread is meant as an olive branch. I do not mean to offend anyone, including Bryan and Derek. I appreciate everyone's contributions. This is a great airing of grievances. I hope we can all move along. Anything dumb I have done or said, please accept my apologies. As far as I am concerned I am starting over and I would appreciate if we all started over now.
I had an ex who would thrash me with the olive branch. Hence ex... we don't speak her name

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Message to the forum. from me.
« on: January 30, 2017, 11:32:39 AM »
I agree with Narvin and Phil.

As mods, you need to understand that you are held at a higher standard and should behave as such. Have an opinion is great, trolling is not.

I have never been an intentional troll. If I did troll any one here on the forum I feel it was taken out of context. Please understand the fine line mods and myself have to walk here. We want everyone's views to be expressed, but at the same time we simply just can't have opinions being dictated to the point of absolute.

I am offering an olive branch here. But on the other hand, I'm not going to tolerate being discredited every time I want to post. And in the end, that is what has been happening. Not just to me, but to many others. This is not conducive to a healthy environment. There is nothing wrong with disagreements. But there is something wrong with judging other people's beer entirely by their expression of process based on a few claims that are, frankly, insubstantial. Or at the very least, completely over blown.

No one here has to agree with each other's processes. But telling people they are doing in wrong simply because you think you are doing it "right" without even tasting the "offending beer" is just ridiculous.

For instance, I recently posted that a gentle simmering boil was fine to a question posed by another member. I am sure I have made good beer by following this method. But I was told that I was wrong and that my beer was surely crap because I didn't understand the science. And if that isn't exactly what was said that was exactly how I took it.

I am a damn good brewer. And I am sick and tired of being told my methods are insubstantial based on other peoples views. Maybe your beers are superior to mine, I would certainly look forward to trying them. But the insisting on certain processes as being critically necessary and disagreeing with everyone else who has a different viewpoint based on their experience is stupid.
I have tried a lot of beer, including several of yours, and without hesitation I can say your beer is top shelf! If you're doing it wrong it sure doesn't show. Or I just have a bad palate or wrong personal preferences

Thanks! I had no idea you had tried my beer.
You shipped me some in a swap, remember?

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Message to the forum. from me.
« on: January 30, 2017, 08:45:33 AM »
I agree with Narvin and Phil.

As mods, you need to understand that you are held at a higher standard and should behave as such. Have an opinion is great, trolling is not.

I have never been an intentional troll. If I did troll any one here on the forum I feel it was taken out of context. Please understand the fine line mods and myself have to walk here. We want everyone's views to be expressed, but at the same time we simply just can't have opinions being dictated to the point of absolute.

I am offering an olive branch here. But on the other hand, I'm not going to tolerate being discredited every time I want to post. And in the end, that is what has been happening. Not just to me, but to many others. This is not conducive to a healthy environment. There is nothing wrong with disagreements. But there is something wrong with judging other people's beer entirely by their expression of process based on a few claims that are, frankly, insubstantial. Or at the very least, completely over blown.

No one here has to agree with each other's processes. But telling people they are doing in wrong simply because you think you are doing it "right" without even tasting the "offending beer" is just ridiculous.

For instance, I recently posted that a gentle simmering boil was fine to a question posed by another member. I am sure I have made good beer by following this method. But I was told that I was wrong and that my beer was surely crap because I didn't understand the science. And if that isn't exactly what was said that was exactly how I took it.

I am a damn good brewer. And I am sick and tired of being told my methods are insubstantial based on other peoples views. Maybe your beers are superior to mine, I would certainly look forward to trying them. But the insisting on certain processes as being critically necessary and disagreeing with everyone else who has a different viewpoint based on their experience is stupid.
I have tried a lot of beer, including several of yours, and without hesitation I can say your beer is top shelf! If you're doing it wrong it sure doesn't show. Or I just have a bad palate or wrong personal preferences

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