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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 03:00:46 PM »
Something offensive was said in the line entering the BN anniversary party? I find that hard to believe.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 01:38:48 PM »
Just out of curiosity, how many people wrote BN down as their club on their entry sheets? Does anyone know? If not then how can  sheer numbers be a valid argument? If the argument is that its unfair to have so many winners, well isnt that the point?

In 2014, BN had 348 entries in the first round. QUAFF has 255. With ~40% more first round entries, BN only beat QUAFF by 6 points.

It IS a numbers game. Especially looking at how BN finishes dead last in Gambrinus (total points in final  :)round / total entries in first round).


The danger in changing COTY to final round points only, is that more than likely the Ninkasi winner's club with always win COTY (not that it makes it a bad thing, just something to consider).
Isnt that making my point though? If sheer number of entrants was what won it, how did they onl win by 6 points?

The point is, if QUAFF and BN entered the same number of entries, QUAFF would beat them by a hundred points.  :)
If you statistically ration out the winners to losers you're right. But what if it was the BNs top 100 vs QUAFs top 100? How does that work out?

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 01:16:38 PM »
Just out of curiosity, how many people wrote BN down as their club on their entry sheets? Does anyone know? If not then how can  sheer numbers be a valid argument? If the argument is that its unfair to have so many winners, well isnt that the point?

In 2014, BN had 348 entries in the first round. QUAFF has 255. With ~40% more first round entries, BN only beat QUAFF by 6 points.

It IS a numbers game. Especially looking at how BN finishes dead last in Gambrinus (total points in final round / total entries in first round).


The danger in changing COTY to final round points only, is that more than likely the Ninkasi winner's club with always win COTY (not that it makes it a bad thing, just something to consider).
Isnt that making my point though? If sheer number of entrants was what won it, how did they onl win by 6 points?

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 12:52:22 PM »
Just out of curiosity, how many people wrote BN down as their club on their entry sheets? Does anyone know? If not then how can  sheer numbers be a valid argument? If the argument is that its unfair to have so many winners, well isnt that the point? The only valid point is their wingspan, but dont the same rules apply to all clubs? If you want club of the year just get more members from the other regions. If the reply to that is that its not easy to get members from other regions, well was it somehow easier for Justin? I suppose, since I doubt he even cares.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 12:06:50 PM »
Maybe COTY should have nothing to do with brewing awards, instead its selected by the gov board based on what club has done the best job of promoting home brewing and the AHA. Crap, never mind, the BN would probably win that too.

I think its either do the size break up like Amanda suggests, regional break up, or... if you cant beat em join em.

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Beer Travel / Re: River Cruising
« on: June 15, 2015, 11:53:17 AM »
How well does that Eurail system work? Looks like two adults traveling together could do Germany Luxembourg Belgium france and Ireland for about $900
Rail in Europe is great, but it does come with its cons. Primarily time compared to a bargain airline.
True, but you can see the country from the train, right? Probably the best would be a rental car and hire a designated driver. I guess they call those taxis.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 11:46:29 AM »
Ok, in all seriousness now. If there were a club near me and I had the time and ability to participate, if they had a goal of winning COTY I would not be interested in joining. If there was a club of brewers who lived to brew, share, and talk beer, and who didn't allow ear humping people about their day job, I would join that. It doesn't exist.

Like I said, I've not been to NHC yet, but if a crowd allows booing thats not in fun, im not missing a thing.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 11:15:27 AM »
Lets explore the idea of requiring another AHA fee to be dubbed an official club member for COTY purposes. Maybe $5 isnt enough to eliminate enough BN medal winners. No doubt they have a few disposable bucks to throw at this. $50 buck probably wouldn't stop them either. $500 might. $5000 surely would. So what does that end up looking like? Congratulations! Of the 3 clubs who had wealthy members, your club won! Good job.

By the way, tonights meal was provided by COTY. Lol

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 11:03:20 AM »
"I don't recognize your bulls*** club" Clay Morrow - President SAMCRO

Disclaimer: Im a Sergeant in the BN Army (only way I will ever get the title Sergeant is to pay for it). I have not yet placed in any competition. I have not been to NHC.  There are a couple tiny clubs, each an hour from my brewery, who do not meet on days that shift work schmucks like me can go to. In the brewing club world im considered unaffiliated. The BN Army allows me to feel patched in as a Nomad of the biggest club in the world.

The BN Army continuing to win the NHC COTY is amazing and Justin ought to be flush with pride. The booing I hear about, if any of it is serious, can't be directed at the BN. There's too few of them. If every BN crew member entered every comp and medaled monthly, it wouldnt be enough points to win. Maybe you think you are booing guys like us who claim BN as their club. But in reality you are booing yourself for not getting on the competition committee and change the rules. Or not having built a homebrew infotainment empire that out numbers the BN.

Final friendly reminder. They don't keep winning because they have 100,000 guys like me who can't even place in a competition. Its not about how many mediocre brewers you have. I'll bet the BN has the lowest ratio of medal winners to losers than any other club. Suppose that someone did the study and found that the BN only had 100 brewers who won medals. Thats probably more likely that the notion that they have 50,000 who each won one third place medal. So, losers really dont matter when it comes to COTY, right? If thats so, what would it matter if the BN had a million members?

In my opinion a rules change will only create a whole new set of problems. If you "fix" the regional issue, you just eliminated everyone who doesn't live near a metropolis. (If the number of members issue is true)


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Events / Re: 2015 NHC Impressions
« on: June 15, 2015, 09:17:09 AM »
Mark - it was very nice meeting you. And thanks for passing along your yeast knowledge. Seriously - write a book someday. I will buy it!
  Plus, how does one top "Yeast?"

Well that is easy.  Write one that is a fraction of the size.  Just focus on quick how's and whys. 

The Yeast book is intimidating and has way too much peripheral info for the guy who just wants to make good beer.  I'll bet a book like that would outsell Yeast.
Yeast For Home Brewers?  Malt FHB, Water FHB, Hops FHB, then Bugs n Fruit FHB
Each a 100 page paperback. I'd buy them!

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: My journal of NHC 2015
« on: June 15, 2015, 09:12:49 AM »
Well done! That was a great read.

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Beer Travel / Re: River Cruising
« on: June 15, 2015, 08:54:21 AM »
How well does that Eurail system work? Looks like two adults traveling together could do Germany Luxembourg Belgium france and Ireland for about $900

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Events / Re: NHC 2016 Location
« on: June 15, 2015, 08:15:26 AM »
It will be interesting to see how AHA lays out the catagories next year.

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Beer Travel / Re: River Cruising
« on: June 15, 2015, 08:06:21 AM »
I lived in japan for 2 years, off base, owned a car and everything. Spoke no Japanese. Got along just fine. So you're most likely right that I wouldn't die without a tour guide.

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Events / Re: 2015 NHC Impressions
« on: June 14, 2015, 10:26:28 PM »
Mark - it was very nice meeting you. And thanks for passing along your yeast knowledge. Seriously - write a book someday. I will buy it!

I got such a kick out of meeting everyone. Except for Marshall, Denny and Drew - nobody looked like I expected! Hopefully - the beginning of some long standing friendships.
So you're saying the rest were handsome athletic and well behaved?

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