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What you can do is just ignore the numbers. At the judging table I use a pencil, and my senses. Including common sense. I dont write things like "looks like 3 SRM" or "tastes like 37 IBUs". The guideline numbers don't bother me. But they can be a hindrance.  Getting hung up on the numbers can be like never taking the training wheels off.

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It would be interesting to see the results. But for me the best way is to learn through experience what my bitterness estimating method tends to produce in the glass as perceived by me. I know thats not going to sit well with detail oriented engineer types, but I just don't taste a beer and think 'hmmm, 27 IBUs'. Honesty,  27 calculated IBUs in one grain bill/yeast combo might be perceived differently in another grain bill/yeast combo. And same IBUs but different types of hops may be perceived differently.

I kind of blame too much focus on numbers on how the style guides are set up. We're numbers people and I think we focus too much on that. Look at APA for example. Does anyone perceive OG? No. It might help design a recipe but in describing a beer, it doesn't help as much as an ABV number. But even with ABV, so the upper limit is 6.2%. What if its 6.4% but tastes like 5.9%? I would prefer a color description over SRM.  And IBU should be described as well rather than a number. We all know that the number means nothing. The vast majority of IBU numbers are "calculated" but dont say by which method. Lots of brewers just use an AA number from a drop down box rather than the package. How many actually calculate their actual current AA but looking up the drop off rate and figuring out the current AA by time and storage temp? Probably almost 0% of us.

Its all good, I just dont think its all that important in reality

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Equipment and Software / Re: Water Filter Question
« on: March 22, 2016, 04:40:22 PM »
I feed my brewery from a frostfree stand pipe using an RV hose. Unless you spend a ton they are about worthless. I'm replacing mine soon with reinforced vinyl tubing. Much more durable

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My pale ale, to me, is virtually identical side by side with bottled SNPA trucked to my area, except mine has more aroma. 1. Probably not identical to the fresh stuff, but maybe. 2. I have no doubt a better palate could tell them apart.

I'd be interested to see that recipe. Cloning something that isn't SNPA sounds like it might just work.
Send me a pm to remind me

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Unless his thesis is on marketing new products... um, ya.

I also gave no email, though he probably can hack his way in anyway
Mic drop

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: 2016 April-June Wyeast PC
« on: March 22, 2016, 05:28:09 AM »
I'll have to stash a pouch of the Unibroue strain for when D-240 becomes available...

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Ya know, a nice big DBS would be nice come fall. I might have to rethink that

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: 2016 April-June Wyeast PC
« on: March 22, 2016, 04:44:21 AM »
Hmmm, well so much for that. None of those are tripping my trigger. Good thing their Belgian Saison is always available.

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Yeast and Fermentation / 2016 April-June Wyeast PC
« on: March 22, 2016, 01:51:44 AM »
Anyone have insider info? It looks like they usually release a Belgian, a Lager, and a Bug. I'm hoping for some really amazing saison and brett strain that would go with it.

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Unless his thesis is on marketing new products... um, ya.

I also gave no email, though he probably can hack his way in anyway

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: Are some sites more competitive
« on: March 22, 2016, 01:16:37 AM »
You need to clearly be among the top 2 or 3 beers in that category. Then you might be in a crap shoot.

Good clarification on my comments, thanks!

Yes, you still need to make quality beer to get into the crap shoot of mini-BOS.

Just entering something into a region because you believe that region is under represented in certain categories isn't going to work for NHC. It still needs to be a quality brew to get to mini-BOS.
Cool, that I can understand and not debate. Some, however, oversimplify and have the view that contests are a crap shoot, period. I dont buy that at all. A murky stank bomb is not just as likely to win as an excellent example of the style.

On the other hand, this year's NHC has an opportunity for true crap shoop in action. Cat 26 Specialty. There are 13 sub cats! 3 of each placing at each site for round one, means many of those sub cats will be at the final mini-BOS. If there is one world class example of each, or even just 9 of those sub cats... its just going to probably come down to which sub cats the mini-BOS judges tend to like better. Maybe they will medal three American Wild Fruits? Or maybe none. That will be a fun table, and I'll bet there will be some debate.

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Usually no one on this forum intends to offend. I certainly didn't. And derails are usually fun.

My wish for a commercial recipe would be any WBC gold medal winner, but first the brewery has to call me and get the recipe. Then brew it and win.

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The data that caught my eye was the lab report margin of error +/- 1 so if the lower reading was 1 higher and the high reading 1 lower, the two would be the same. If the margin of error means anything then you have to admit they could very well be the same.


Yes good point. However they've used the word variance (incorrectly) to mean error, so you have to wonder whether they got the math right.
The +/- 1 figure I am talking about appears to be from the lab that measured the IBUs. So the lab is saying that the two samples are 2 IBUs apart but could be 4 IBUs apart or zero IBUs apart.

Yes, got that, but they used the wrong word for error. Variance is never negative - it's a measure of spread. So the report doesn't inspire much confidence.
I'm tracking, but either way indicates the same end

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The data that caught my eye was the lab report margin of error +/- 1 so if the lower reading was 1 higher and the high reading 1 lower, the two would be the same. If the margin of error means anything then you have to admit they could very well be the same.


Yes good point. However they've used the word variance (incorrectly) to mean error, so you have to wonder whether they got the math right.
The +/- 1 figure I am talking about appears to be from the lab that measured the IBUs. So the lab is saying that the two samples are 2 IBUs apart but could be 4 IBUs apart or zero IBUs apart.

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: Are some sites more competitive
« on: March 21, 2016, 03:14:25 PM »
I judged three sessions at Seattle this past weekend. About 33 beers that I scored. And sat at two mini-BOS tables, both lead by noteworthy Grand Masters. We saw no "World Class" beers (45-50 point). The highest score I gave was 40 and my partner gave it a 36 if I recall. The two 1st place mini-BOS beers were 35-39 point beers in my opinion.

I dont know what all that means, its just what I saw.

Crap shoot... I would agree that it could be a sort of crap shoot between 1st place and 2nd. Maybe all three places at times. Ive not judged any flight where out of 10-12 beers any of the bunch could randomly move on to mini-BOS ie crap shoot. Of 12 there might be two or three deserving a mini-BOS look, or there might not be. So in my view, merely entering NHC does not get you in the crap shoot. You need to clearly be among the top 2 or 3 beers in that category. Then you might be in a crap shoot.

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The data that caught my eye was the lab report margin of error +/- 1 so if the lower reading was 1 higher and the high reading 1 lower, the two would be the same. If the margin of error means anything then you have to admit they could very well be the same.
I tried bagging for whatever reason early on, then quit, then when I got a pump I bagged whole hops, then I switched to all pellets all the time.

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