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The Pub / Re: Frivolous Magic Hat Lawsuit
« on: May 31, 2013, 09:13:03 AM »
Ooops, let me correct myself. I should have never said no resource. That statement was shown to be in error.

A blogger suggests coffee is served too hot and a mechanical engineer has a publication suggesting it is served too hot based on scald potential.

A recent survey shows...  ;D

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As far as 170-175, I have to agree there or even slightly cooler is where coffee may be by the time it touches someones lips. Add in creamer and it could be even colder. Also ice could be added.

But I believe the topic on point is Hot Coffee without all the fluff and the National Coffee Association and the Specialty Coffee Association of America (SCAA) both suggest serving temperatures in excess of 170F. So I'll change my statement from "no resource", to no major acknowledged association who deals exclusively in coffee suggests it be served at any less than 170F.  8)

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The Pub / Re: Frivolous Magic Hat Lawsuit
« on: May 31, 2013, 07:20:09 AM »
Let's be clear about hot liquids and scalding time.
140F at 3 seconds exposure is 2nd degree burns
http://www.burncarefoundation.org/safety/hot-water-exposure.html

160F water is 1/2 a second
http://www.pseg.com/home/education_safety/safety/scalding.jsp

Here you can see how the temp rise increases the danger.
http://www.accuratebuilding.com/services/legal/charts/hot_water_burn_scalding_graph.html

FWIW - no resource ever suggests coffee should be served at any less than 170F, optimum is what I stated earlier, 180-185F.

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The Pub / Re: Is Staples your office supply store?
« on: May 31, 2013, 06:06:59 AM »
So it would somehow be in bad taste for a commercial to appear which was sponsored by Staples and had a small startup brewery?

I just cannot stand stuff like this. PayPal has some asinine practices as well as Square. Google as well. Luckily I only use PP for sending money using a Credit Card, I have no use for Square and Google is free. However Staples is a place I spend money and I can spend money elsewhere. ;)

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The Pub / Re: Frivolous Magic Hat Lawsuit
« on: May 31, 2013, 05:46:23 AM »
Coffee should be maintained at 180-185F.

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The Pub / Is Staples your office supply store?
« on: May 31, 2013, 05:10:13 AM »
It's not mine anymore. Staples had a contest for a marketing campaign and a small business applied and got the following email response.
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Entry contains content that promotes alcohol, illegal drugs, tobacco, firearms/weapons (or the use of any of the foregoing); promotes any activities that may appear unsafe or dangerous; promotes any particular political agenda or message; is obscene or offensive; or endorses any form of hate or hate group.

Up until I read that I had used Staples as my office supply store...no more.

http://mashbang.wordpress.com/2013/05/31/staple-this/

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The Pub / Re: Frivolous Magic Hat Lawsuit
« on: May 31, 2013, 05:07:37 AM »
The problem with the McD's case is that the coffee wasn't hot like you'd expect - it was scalding hot, far above drinkable temps because management had decided to serve it that hot (180-190F) so that the coffee would still be "piping" when the average commuter would finish their commute. They had been warned hundreds of times about the danger and liability of this policy and still refused to change the temp. That's what got them hit so hard.

(Seriously.. near boiling?)

Yes, seriously near boiling. I don't brew my coffee with warm water and you don't either. The recommendation is 195-205F with 200F being optimum.
http://www.ncausa.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=71

Just sayin'... ;)

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Commercial Beer Reviews / Re: New Belgium Rolle Bolle
« on: May 30, 2013, 08:41:02 AM »
I found it boring. Refreshing, but boring.

http://mashbang.wordpress.com/2013/05/30/rolle-bolle/

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The Pub / Re: Good day
« on: May 28, 2013, 07:23:42 AM »
And you rubber dipped your feet to make permasocks!

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The Pub / Re: bridge collapse
« on: May 24, 2013, 07:01:04 AM »
It's great to hear no one was killed!

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We had one collapse back in 1975 in our area on a very foggy night. I think 7 drove off and four people died.



Interesting story about the bridge collapse is it was covered by Reader's Digest and a kid in Kentucky read the story and sent a note which made it to a local church down the road from us saying he would trade tree seedlings for clothes. The church drove to that rural part of KY and saw the poverty and started gathering clothes to take to Kentucky. That first year I think they took something like 8 or 10 vehicles. Last I heard they were still doing the trip and taking tractor trailers full of clothing, food and other items.

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The Pub / Re: Oh what a tangled web we weave...
« on: May 23, 2013, 11:54:41 AM »
I was actually wondering if nuts are really classified as produce?

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The Pub / Re: West Sixth vs Magic Hat
« on: May 23, 2013, 08:17:38 AM »
More FWIW - West Sixth posted on their site/FB in response to the distributor portion;
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You said that “talks between the two breweries started in September of 2012 after marketplace concerns surfaced by a Kentucky wholesaler who refused to carry West Sixth Brewing because he felt it too closely resembled Magic Hat.” Unfortunately, that isn’t true at all. We have two distributors who distribute both us and Magic Hat without any sort of confusion. We’re sorry that this is what you were told. What actually happened between us and your distributor is this: After we had advanced negotiations to sign with your distributor they were told by another brand they carry that they should not distribute our beer.

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The Pub / Re: West Sixth vs Magic Hat
« on: May 23, 2013, 08:10:43 AM »
Whatcha got in mind?

If I were West Sixth after all this shakes out I would put something like this on each label/can:
"not to be confused with a brewery in Vermont owned by a company in NY ran by a group out of Costa Rica"
 8)

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The Pub / Re: West Sixth vs Magic Hat
« on: May 23, 2013, 08:04:17 AM »
FWIW - I never said anyone was dense, I said they were artistic.  ;D

Actually the lawsuit calls for a jury trial. So they would have to convince a jury. Not sure how many sit on a Federal Jury, but if I was one of the jurors we'd probably deadlock.  :-\

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The Pub / Re: West Sixth vs Magic Hat
« on: May 23, 2013, 06:23:31 AM »
Maybe it's the engineer in me, but I still don't see it. From what I've noticed those with an artistic background see some resemblance (seems to be about 20% of the people), the rest know the difference between a 6 and a 9.  ;)

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What I find interesting is an email I got in my brewing news email this morning. Magic Hat said yesterday they were no longer going to comment on social media, but then they send out a press release which includes:
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It is our position that West Sixth has not only infringed on our trademarks, but has also taken steps to damage our brand.
So we won't comment on Facebook, but an email campaign is fine???
The really interesting thing about the note is this is the first email I have ever received from Magic Hat and their marketing group - Mower.


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The Pub / Re: West Sixth vs Magic Hat
« on: May 22, 2013, 02:13:36 PM »
I still cannot see any lie. They tried to reach and agreement, but MH or their lawyers, were never agreeable, it was always another stipulation if you read the documents. Then MH filed a lawsuit so they went to social media and it appears to have brought MH back to the table. Seems more like the truth to me...YMMV


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