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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
« on: May 22, 2017, 08:03:17 PM »
Michael, where did you see that?  The "dates and deadlines" page still shows June 1st as the final day.


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Mac,
Yeah the "instructions" on my entry page still says Baltimore, but the Entry Info Tab says:

"Entry Window
Time your shipment to arrive between May 19 and June 2nd. This timing is very important. Late entries may be disqualified."

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
« on: May 22, 2017, 07:12:23 AM »
how about one day extension of the deadline for shipping to June 2?
Gives people a much better chance to ship after the three-day holiday weekend and still get it there.


Agreed -- The timing of the deliveries is particularly problematic this year, due to the Memorial Day weekend - if you want to send them as close as possible to the end of the entry period, either you send the entries in mid-week the week before (and hope for the best in terms of receipt on 5-26 and cold storage prior to Memorial Day weekend) or let them sit in transit (who knows where) over Memorial Day weekend for delivery on or after 5-29, or hope that they can be sent on 5-29 for delivery on 6-1 (with no delivery glitches).  Or you RDWHAHB and send them early and live with the handling and storage on the other end...I may just opt for the latter and hope for the best, despite not re-brewing my entries.  Hey, I'm just happy to be advancing a beer at this point.

 

entry deadline now says June 2nd, so if John was reading what we said, thanks.

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Other Fermentables / Re: Ciders with brett
« on: May 22, 2017, 06:42:03 AM »
what kind of Brett character?

Any residual sugar in these ciders?

How's the acid level?  Cider generally does not have a high alcohol level, and if the acidity is also low, as is fairly common with mass-produced juice, they can certainly be prone to infections of various sorts.



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Events / Re: Sharing Beer at National Homebrew Conference
« on: May 15, 2017, 06:34:38 AM »

I want ice cider.

That was my only entry that didn't advance in First Round, so I've got extra and will be bringing like a gallon jug or so of it. *shrug* sometimes the judges are wrong.    ;)

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Homebrew Clubs / Re: Club Night 2017
« on: May 15, 2017, 06:29:06 AM »
so far KCBM is mostly bringing the stuff that advanced to the Finals in NHC.  And I mixed up a keg of the cider that won a medal last year.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
« on: May 09, 2017, 07:50:56 AM »
how about one day extension of the deadline for shipping to June 2?
Gives people a much better chance to ship after the three-day holiday weekend and still get it there.


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Events / Re: Sharing Beer at National Homebrew Conference
« on: May 02, 2017, 11:52:23 AM »
I'd even go so far as to say that if you see somebody pouring and you don't know them, ask for a sip anyways.  99.99% of the time you'll get some too.  And most of the time, that .001 is because the bottle/keg just ran dry.

Exactly this. I have a cooler backpack that I carry around. NHC is one of the few places that I travel where I usually bring a full wine check and leave with an empty one. Since there's no banquet this year, all that beer will be shared during the conference. Either at seminars, meetups, or even walking around the vendor booths. If I have a bottle open and there's something left in it, just ask and you'll get a taste. You did bring your glass, right? lol

whenever I open a bottle around 10 friends, there's always someone I've never met who sees it and sticks his/her glass in for a pour.  And that's cool.  Although once last year I did screw with a guy. "it's ice cider, and it's only for friends. *glare*  Just kidding, here you go!"   ;D

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Homebrew Clubs / Re: Club Night 2017
« on: May 02, 2017, 11:44:34 AM »
My lame strategy is to try beers from those I know that make good beer.

Ugh, this old dude won't stop following me around.   8)
You? Ciders and meads please.  8)

last year I brought 10 ciders and 4 meads; since we're in the land of 10,000 Mead Makers Of the Year I expect that will be reversed.  I've got beer and will bring a little but I'll mostly let the rest of KCBM handle that.  (and yes, the KC Bier Meisters will have a booth)

on the subject of Club Night, I know it is a lot of people's favorite event and I can see why.  However I find the quality to be very hit and miss and have preferred Pro Night for years.  Please, dumping a keg of mediocre beer that your friends don't want to drink into your club pool isn't what it should be about!  It doesn't have to be rare or expensive but I think this event deserves our best efforts. 
/soapbox

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Homebrew Clubs / Re: Club Night 2017
« on: May 02, 2017, 05:54:17 AM »
My lame strategy is to try beers from those I know that make good beer.

Ugh, this old dude won't stop following me around.   8)

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
« on: April 28, 2017, 08:28:22 AM »
 >:(
 NHC chat is pretty much the only thing I come back here for at this point.  Please don't ruin THAT too.


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In my experience, BOS tables are not skewed against lighter styles, at least up here in the PACNW.  Just off the top of my head, I can remember being on BOS panels where we've awarded golds to Am Lager, German Pils, Helles, Kolsch, Weissbier, Mild, ESB, Vienna, and Gueze.  And let's not forget Annie Johnson's NHC winning Light American Lager.  These outstanding beers won against all those big beers because they deserved to win.  IMO, if you brew an excellent light/small beer, you have just as much a chance of winning as any of the big styles.  We shouldn't perpetuate these myths.  Besides, what better way to get folks off the "max lupulin" craze than to hold those unbalanced beers to account and to reward the well crafted beers?   There's so much more to beer than just IBUs and ABVs.

Definitely true here in Portland and/or Oregon.  I think the judges here are more likely to award a crisp clean well made lager than a double IPA, no matter how good it is.  Golden Ale, Cream Ale, Kolsch etc seem to win a lot of BOS tables (much to the chagrin of my buddy who wins a lot of gold medals for his big Belgians and barrel aged stouts)

One more tip - enter the beer that you brewed and not the beer you intended to brew...I have judged good beers that just miss the style as entered that would have been surprisingly better suited to enter into a similar, but different style.

I have adjusted my approach for this, as well as anticipating a judge bias that tends to favor a slightly bigger beer within a category.  It may not be "right", but it is what it is.....

I totally understand this logic, but for me it doesn't work, because when my CDA ends up not hoppy enough, I couldn't care less whether it wins a medal in American Stout. I do want to win medals and ribbons, but I can't get around the roadblock in my head of like "Well that's not what that beer is, so it really doesn't count".  I feel the same way about commercial breweries who advertise that their American Amber Ale won a silver medal at GABF for Dark German Lager... it's like "And you're proud of that?"  Just my own hang ups on "style".  I want it to win as I intended it.  If my black IPA scores 19 points in IPA and 45 points in American Stout that just means I f***ed it up.

I would simplify it to "in competition your beer is what it tastes like, not what your recipe was designed to be."
Tons of new brewers tell me "taste this; it is a XX" that tastes nothing like that style...is it really?  So I guess your "Well that's not what that beer is, so it really doesn't count". statement doesn't make sense to me.  If I screwed something up, but identified the correct place it should be entered, then that's a competition success, which I think was the point of the thread.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
« on: April 21, 2017, 04:38:57 AM »
It would be nice if the shipping windows paralleled the judging dates. Some beers have to be shipped as much as a month and a half prior to being judged. I don't see a reason why that can't change.

I think in theory this is a good idea, but I think in practice it would create a lot of confusion. From my experience running comps, many entrants still get confused about the basics of entering a homerbew comp. My bet is having staggered shipping deadlines for each region would cause heartburn from entrants not paying close enough attention and shipping too early/late. We see that in our fairly small comps since we have a different deadline for out of town LHBSs; there are always several who don't read the different deadlines for each drop off location.

I agree Dennis. Especially, since with the lottery, you don't know where you're sending brews until pretty late in the brew process anyways.

Besides, the people that are experienced enough in NHC to know about the perceived inequality of releasing results at different times, should also be the ones that plan rebrew schedules long before the first round results are out.

I mean, udubdawg and I aren't the only ones with a planned brew schedule for NHC 2018, are we? ;)

Next year's mead is nearly finished...

I will say though that done properly getting scoresheets out shouldn't be a problem. When KC had the first round - and they requested it this year, even moving their annual competition to accommodate - all the sheets were packed into pre-labeled envelopes even while the last groups were finishing judging on Saturday.

Meanwhile I got my Indy sheets two days ago.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
« on: April 13, 2017, 07:58:20 AM »
Come on St.Louis results...I know you're out there.  Today's the day...I hope.
So based on the St. Louis results being posted a little over a week after judging, it seems plausible that Austin results wouldn't be posted until early next week (judging was last weekend)? Just trying to get a general sense so I don't wear out the "refresh" button on my browser ;-)

STL went to "Verifying results" one day later than the others judged that weekend; one would assume because the organizers took an extra day to get them in, but who knows.  As Austin/Milwaukee changed to Verifying Results on Monday, it seems likely you'll see the results tomorrow afternoon as all the other regions have been.  But (stuff) happens.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
« on: April 03, 2017, 11:03:59 AM »
Come on St.Louis results...I know you're out there.  Today's the day...I hope.

I agree.  It may have been better to wait and post all the regions done on the same date together.
It would not be good to get the scoresheets and results before having winners posted on the site.

why not?  Is that not what happens with people who are in attendance and hear the results?
side note: people shouldn't blindly trust the cover sheet.  It is quite common that the placements are not marked.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2017 NHC Competition Chat
« on: March 30, 2017, 07:17:06 AM »
When you have to score mid 40's to get through, wow!  Note to self, avoid Seattle as an alternate.


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I'm sure they got bumped in mini-BOS.  I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of the entries that got through are scored lower than his.  Happened to me many times.

people seem to have the tendency to think the high scores are "legit" and doubt the accuracy of the low ones.
I've seen a judge pair give a First Round IPA a 49/50.  It was the first one kicked in mini-BOS for overwhelming levels of diacetyl.  But that entrant only knows that a pair of judges loved his/her beer.  It leads to a low score later and an upset entrant "But these other guys said it was 49!"  well, they were wrong.

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