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The Pub / Re: 10 Reasons Why the GABF Sucks
« on: July 02, 2015, 09:04:12 AM »
If the quality of judging is so great, then how do you explain, as the article cites, these results from 2013?

Category 34: American-Style Cream Ale, 37 Entries
Gold: Natural Ice, Anheuser-Busch, St. Louis, MO
Silver: Old Style, Pabst Brewing Co., Los Angeles, CA
Bronze: Rainier, Pabst Brewing Co., Los Angeles, CA


Yes I have drank Natty Ice and yes it tastes terrible.  I can think of at least 20 cream ales off the top of my head that are better.  Of course, any cream ale that I have ever had and can think of its name is better than Natty Ice.

Full disclosure:  Old Style and Rainier aren't too bad of picks of 2nd and 3rd.... ;)

well technically I said that Gordon Strong said the judging quality was very high.  I used his name because, well, who is more qualified to speak of judging quality?  But if you like I can ask him to come defend his position on this thread.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: My Floating sack problem
« on: July 01, 2015, 09:42:32 AM »
my dried hibiscus sank almost immediately. 

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The Pub / Re: 10 Reasons Why the GABF Sucks
« on: July 01, 2015, 05:41:33 AM »
Does anyone here get upset at #2 happening at the NHC? I don't.

Gordon Strong spoke of the quality of the judging as about equal to the BOS round at any large regional competition, so I think that is pretty damn good. 

I don't go every year anymore, but I think it's something every beer fan should experience once...that first walk up the stairs and into this enormous room filled with great beer is fantastic.

#4 Zombie Tables is the most legit IMO.  I'm way more likely to stop at tables where the brewery staff is working.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: classification for beer comp
« on: June 30, 2015, 07:00:49 AM »
That is very helpful. Thanks for your help. I mis-classified an entry for my last competition which hurt the score.

it happens all the time; don't feel bad.  There were a half dozen beers in the NHC finals in Cat 23 that could have gone in 21A.  Good judges will still judge them (A peanut butter and chocolate stout almost won the bronze medal), but if there's an obvious better place for it (based on taste, not ingredient list) then they should mention it.

efforts have been made to reduce confusion and find homes for things in the new guidelines.  I've seen some bemoaning the scope of the changes and size of the guidelines; well things like this are one reason why they are that way.

cheers--
--Michael

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: classification for beer comp
« on: June 30, 2015, 06:47:23 AM »
Well I am a bit confused now. I think I can only have one entry per category so entering both in 23 is not an option. It appears that they are using 2008 guidelines however are grouping most subcategories together; 16A-E will be one category.

After clicking around, it appears that this may not be BJCP sanctioned this year although they are using the guidelines. I will have to investigate.

basically you try to find a home for something elsewhere until 23 is the only option.  One beer has nothing but spices and herbs.  Both are flavoring the blonde base, not providing any sugar like a fruit.  So, 21A

Treat Belgians like any other style - find a home for them elsewhere, and then if nothing fits, treat 16E as the Belgian version of 23.

Robust Porter with raspberry = 20A.  Robust Porter with jalapeno = 21A.  Robust Porter with both = 23.
Witbier with pineapple = 20A.  Witbier with habanero = 21A.  Witbier with both = 16E.

if the base beer was already a Belgian specialty, then adding fruit/spices/both to it and it is still a 16E.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: classification for beer comp
« on: June 30, 2015, 05:53:05 AM »
I'd put spicy pineapple wit in Fruit and Spice, 29B and the other in SHV, 30A with the usual caveat about balance between "specialty" ingredients and the base beer.

2008 guidelines?  pepper/pineapple wit in 16E, and the other in SHV 21A.


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Beer Recipes / Re: Kolsch Guidance
« on: June 29, 2015, 05:45:21 AM »
I really like the Kolsch malt in general; use it in several beers.  SOP at this point is to use it at 25% in my Kolsch.

...just a data point for OP.  Plenty of good advice on the thread as noted earlier.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 26, 2015, 10:50:48 AM »
all the "they should brew better beer" bravado makes me hope BN one day wins Club Of The Year...WITHOUT WINNING A SINGLE MEDAL.
 ::)
Bets on whether we will still see "let them catch up with us" at that point?

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: BJCP Certification Thoughts
« on: June 25, 2015, 06:20:09 AM »

As for what I get out of the BJCP...


Personally it greatly improved my brewing, more than any other thing has.  But in fairness I'm a technical, to-style, German-type brewer.  If one were a serial experifermenter I don't know that it would do the same.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 25, 2015, 06:14:45 AM »


So think about it.  Do we want to recognize the club with the most points in the competition or not?  If not, what should we be recognizing?

Final Round Points.  Medals, not ribbons.

2015:  Austin Zealots, runner-up St Paul
2014:  Wichita Homebrewers Organization, runner-up Minnesota HBA
2013:  Tie between DOZE and BN, I give it to Brewing Network because they had more medals (5/4)
2012:  Brewing Network, runner-up St Paul
2011:  QUAFF, runner-up Brewing Network
2010:  at this point we have Gordon still competing, but winner is still DOZE over St Paul
2009:  haven't done the math, but I know Gordon had 7 medals so I'll assume St Paul won

it still favors bigger clubs, but they actually have to WIN.
So since 2010, three of six would stay the same.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 24, 2015, 06:25:51 PM »
this has gone for a while now, but there's at least three separate issues here.

1. Is BN a club?  This is what the thread started with, but it always felt like that was not what it was about...

2. Some people are booing/otherwise acting poorly.  Gets mentioned every year.

3. The COTY award doesn't have a lot of meaning

I say "sure" to the first, "idiots are everywhere" to the second, and "I agree" to the third.

any other major ones I'm missing?

I didn't list these to state the already-obvious.

I did it because I hoped that people were not confusing the issues.  But just as I feel it was wrong to associate some comments made in a party line with BN winning COTY, I also feel like some BN members have taken a "you just don't want *US* to win!" mentality.  I don't see any "us versus them" necessary here, yet I keep seeing these "this just makes me want to beat them even more!" comments. 

So, I'll say it again.  Wanting change does not mean you do not support The Brewing Network.  If this is your viewpoint, please stop.  I support BN's right to win COTY...and I want a meaningful award.  I in no way want a QUAFF annual award.  That is pointless.  This is a competition; supposedly the top one we have in this country.  And we save announcing this award for last...


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Homebrew Competitions / Re: BJCP Certification Thoughts
« on: June 24, 2015, 02:26:50 PM »
Mead/Master. Just took beta cider exam.
Probably my biggest passion re: BJCP is improving Feedback. I want less of the "add more Munich" or "uncover your boil" guessing and more "here's how your beer differs from the style:..."

Another would be grading; I mostly grade the Written Exam; anyone is free to contact me on how to prepare for it.

...however I have little time for either right now. Busy with question pool for cider exam, my other big area of interest.

Practice with filling out scoresheets is critical to success on the exam. Write down what you experience - level, descriptor, attribute.
And obviously drinking some commercial examples (in good condition), while reading the relevant guidelines.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 24, 2015, 10:33:30 AM »
If the booing was just a few, then the BN must have edited the audio significantly. I doubt that. Frankly, writing BN Army on my entry sheets WAS no big deal. Hearing the booing did two things for me. 1. Guarenteed that the banquet is not a good place for me to go. That moment would ruin the entire trip for me. Id probably also get stuck next to Melvin from Office Space and have to listen to nonstop whining about how he's unhappy with the salad dressing. 2. The booing makes me want to continue to write down BN Army, and root for them to win every category every year.

This thread coupled with the audio of the award is about the saddest thing going on in brewing.

1. Ruin your entire trip, really?
2. Why would you let such a tiny minority of people ruin anything for you?  They don't speak for all AHA members.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 24, 2015, 10:05:11 AM »
this has gone for a while now, but there's at least three separate issues here.

1. Is BN a club?  This is what the thread started with, but it always felt like that was not what it was about...

2. Some people are booing/otherwise acting poorly.  Gets mentioned every year.

3. The COTY award doesn't have a lot of meaning

I say "sure" to the first, "idiots are everywhere" to the second, and "I agree" to the third.

any other major ones I'm missing?

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 23, 2015, 08:18:25 PM »
Quote from: udubdawg blink=topic=23504.msg301262#msg301262 date=1435111618
How much booing did the rest of you in attendance hear? I didn't hear a lot; less than some of the previous 4 years. I saw some eyerolls; probably did it myself. I heard some comments. Booing? Sounded like a handful.

Thanks to the Brewing Network one can watch the awards ceremony and decide for herself.  It was streamed live and can be viewed on Livestream on most Smart TV's or any TV with a streaming device such as Roku, Chrome Cast, Fire Stick or Apple TV.  It can also be viewed on mobile devices with the Livestream app or at new.Livestream.com.

I did that too; still didn't hear that much, but it was more noticeable than in my seat near the center of the room.

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