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Homebrew Competitions / Re: BJCP Certification Thoughts
« on: June 25, 2015, 06:20:09 AM »

As for what I get out of the BJCP...


Personally it greatly improved my brewing, more than any other thing has.  But in fairness I'm a technical, to-style, German-type brewer.  If one were a serial experifermenter I don't know that it would do the same.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 25, 2015, 06:14:45 AM »


So think about it.  Do we want to recognize the club with the most points in the competition or not?  If not, what should we be recognizing?

Final Round Points.  Medals, not ribbons.

2015:  Austin Zealots, runner-up St Paul
2014:  Wichita Homebrewers Organization, runner-up Minnesota HBA
2013:  Tie between DOZE and BN, I give it to Brewing Network because they had more medals (5/4)
2012:  Brewing Network, runner-up St Paul
2011:  QUAFF, runner-up Brewing Network
2010:  at this point we have Gordon still competing, but winner is still DOZE over St Paul
2009:  haven't done the math, but I know Gordon had 7 medals so I'll assume St Paul won

it still favors bigger clubs, but they actually have to WIN.
So since 2010, three of six would stay the same.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 24, 2015, 06:25:51 PM »
this has gone for a while now, but there's at least three separate issues here.

1. Is BN a club?  This is what the thread started with, but it always felt like that was not what it was about...

2. Some people are booing/otherwise acting poorly.  Gets mentioned every year.

3. The COTY award doesn't have a lot of meaning

I say "sure" to the first, "idiots are everywhere" to the second, and "I agree" to the third.

any other major ones I'm missing?

I didn't list these to state the already-obvious.

I did it because I hoped that people were not confusing the issues.  But just as I feel it was wrong to associate some comments made in a party line with BN winning COTY, I also feel like some BN members have taken a "you just don't want *US* to win!" mentality.  I don't see any "us versus them" necessary here, yet I keep seeing these "this just makes me want to beat them even more!" comments. 

So, I'll say it again.  Wanting change does not mean you do not support The Brewing Network.  If this is your viewpoint, please stop.  I support BN's right to win COTY...and I want a meaningful award.  I in no way want a QUAFF annual award.  That is pointless.  This is a competition; supposedly the top one we have in this country.  And we save announcing this award for last...


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Homebrew Competitions / Re: BJCP Certification Thoughts
« on: June 24, 2015, 02:26:50 PM »
Mead/Master. Just took beta cider exam.
Probably my biggest passion re: BJCP is improving Feedback. I want less of the "add more Munich" or "uncover your boil" guessing and more "here's how your beer differs from the style:..."

Another would be grading; I mostly grade the Written Exam; anyone is free to contact me on how to prepare for it.

...however I have little time for either right now. Busy with question pool for cider exam, my other big area of interest.

Practice with filling out scoresheets is critical to success on the exam. Write down what you experience - level, descriptor, attribute.
And obviously drinking some commercial examples (in good condition), while reading the relevant guidelines.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 24, 2015, 10:33:30 AM »
If the booing was just a few, then the BN must have edited the audio significantly. I doubt that. Frankly, writing BN Army on my entry sheets WAS no big deal. Hearing the booing did two things for me. 1. Guarenteed that the banquet is not a good place for me to go. That moment would ruin the entire trip for me. Id probably also get stuck next to Melvin from Office Space and have to listen to nonstop whining about how he's unhappy with the salad dressing. 2. The booing makes me want to continue to write down BN Army, and root for them to win every category every year.

This thread coupled with the audio of the award is about the saddest thing going on in brewing.

1. Ruin your entire trip, really?
2. Why would you let such a tiny minority of people ruin anything for you?  They don't speak for all AHA members.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 24, 2015, 10:05:11 AM »
this has gone for a while now, but there's at least three separate issues here.

1. Is BN a club?  This is what the thread started with, but it always felt like that was not what it was about...

2. Some people are booing/otherwise acting poorly.  Gets mentioned every year.

3. The COTY award doesn't have a lot of meaning

I say "sure" to the first, "idiots are everywhere" to the second, and "I agree" to the third.

any other major ones I'm missing?

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 23, 2015, 08:18:25 PM »
Quote from: udubdawg blink=topic=23504.msg301262#msg301262 date=1435111618
How much booing did the rest of you in attendance hear? I didn't hear a lot; less than some of the previous 4 years. I saw some eyerolls; probably did it myself. I heard some comments. Booing? Sounded like a handful.

Thanks to the Brewing Network one can watch the awards ceremony and decide for herself.  It was streamed live and can be viewed on Livestream on most Smart TV's or any TV with a streaming device such as Roku, Chrome Cast, Fire Stick or Apple TV.  It can also be viewed on mobile devices with the Livestream app or at new.Livestream.com.

I did that too; still didn't hear that much, but it was more noticeable than in my seat near the center of the room.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 23, 2015, 07:06:58 PM »
How much booing did the rest of you in attendance hear? I didn't hear a lot; less than some of the previous 4 years. I saw some eyerolls; probably did it myself. I heard some comments. Booing? Sounded like a handful.

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Other Fermentables / Re: Ey! Where you get your honey at?
« on: June 22, 2015, 07:56:39 PM »
Believe it or not, we have access to some wonderful local honey that makes pretty good mead, right here in Lincoln Nebraska.  Actually just outside of Lincoln anyway.  If I remember right it was around $30 for a 1 gallon jug, about 12 pounds.  I decided to give it a try after learning that the BOS mead in the Sowers Cup last year was made with that honey.

Side note, that was a damn fine batch of tupelo mead you entered a few places this year. Been predicting NHC glory for it. Well done.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 20, 2015, 05:52:57 AM »
2 Gold x 6 Points, 1 Silver x 4 Points, 2 Bronze x 2 Points = 20 Final Round Points
Magic Algebra = 65 Total Entries

Now how can that not be the "NHC Champion Club" or whatever we're going to call it? Most final round points, tiebreaker is final round points per entry, and from there you go to the pie-eating contest or whatever it is they do for Ninkasi now.

Would still like to see an objection/ reasoning why this shouldn't be the criteria. 
Anyone?

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The Pub / Re: Good NHC Plane Book?
« on: June 19, 2015, 10:52:13 AM »

I already have just about every book from Brewers Publications outside of Malt, but I do not intend to buy that.

I need to know if this stance changed after the man himself gave you a ride to the airport?!?   ;D

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 19, 2015, 10:30:40 AM »
Back on topic. One way to change the rules is to make the first round points per ribbon worth less than the second round medal. Anyone here that values, no, lusts after a second round medal? I can say that it is easier to ribbon in the first round than medal in the second round. I always sctratched my head at the current point set up.

From the rules page.
Homebrew Club of the Year will be awarded to the club that accumulates the most total points in all categories of beer, mead and cider in the First and Final Rounds. In both the First and Final Rounds, six points are awarded for a first place, four points for a second place and two points for a third place. In the First Round, a club may only receive points for a maximum of three awards per category, the highest three awards shall be counted, not to exceed a 12-point maximum. For your club to receive points the club must be registered with the AHA and you must have included the club name when you registered your entries online. Please check the AHA Club Directory to be sure your club’s AHA registration is up to date.

That seems like a logical, fair place to start.
I had to go to the basement and check my memory. 8 first round ribbons to 2 medals.
The medals get mentioned in conversations, the ribbons not so much.

yeah.  I am near universally confident the medal winners are good.  I don't have the same feeling about all the first round ribbons.  A few categories sometimes don't even have 3 entries. I haven't yet seen a first round region that approaches the quality of a decent sized regional comp like KCBM or Hoppy Halloween.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 19, 2015, 06:18:20 AM »
Quote from: slobrewer pink=topic=23504.msg300425#msg300425 date=1434647807
The NHC COTY is based on blind judging of the beers a club brews.

You mean that it is based on something that is as silly as brewing as a competitive sport.  This thread has only strengthened my belief that the National Homebrew Conference and the National Homebrew Competition need to be separate events like the Craft Brewers Conference and the Great American Beer Festival.  The National Homebrew Competition is too divisive.

Would be interested in your suggestions on how to get 200 judges of high avg rank together without the conference. And if you don't think it is important to entrants that they get good judges, you are fooling yourself.

Also, your example is poor. The CBC holds the World Beer Cup every other year.

I think not having a competition to determine the best beers is "silly" and I'm not exactly alone am I? If you're not interested in it, if the concept is so silly to you, why waste your time in this thread?

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 18, 2015, 11:19:28 AM »
Not that anyone asked, but if we gave COTY to the club with the most Final Round points, it'd be:

2015:  Austin Zealots (5 medals, 20 pts). Runner Up is St Paul, 4 medals and 18 pts.
2014:  WHO (4 medals, 20 pts).  Runner up is Minnesota HBA, 3 medals and 16 pts. 

side note:  I hope they manage to keep the entry limit at 5 or higher, for Ninkasi's sake.

if anyone's got a free afternoon, I'd be curious which other clubs would have won, post Gordon Strong/St Paul 3-peat.

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The Pub / Re: 10 days to exam
« on: June 18, 2015, 09:08:07 AM »
So this morning I was issued BJCP ID #.  Hard to interpret cause it says my rank is still Provisional, with Rank Pending. 

But the BJCP site says Provisional Judge: someone who has passed the Entrance Exam, but not yet taken the Judging Exam. A Provisional Judge is not yet a BJCP member, and does not have a BJCP ID. Provisional is not a BJCP judge rank.

Can this be interpreted as a passing grade?


EDIT:  Never mind, could be apprentice

unfortunately at less than two months from your exam date, it is very likely not done.  From what you've said previously though, you do not have any worries re: passing the exam. 

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