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Homebrew Competitions / Ninkasi
« on: June 16, 2014, 12:30:12 PM »
**let me put this first:  No sour grapes.  The right guy won.  But let's imagine for a minute that he did not win that Bronze medal.  Imagine instead we had 23 brewers each with one Gold Medal.  OK?

here are the "official rules"

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/rules-and-regulations/
here are the Ninkasi tiebreakers at the link:
There will only be one Ninkasi Award winner. In the event of a tie for the most points in the Final Round, the following tie-breaker criteria will apply.
a. The number of medals earned in the Final Round will be tallied, and the brewer with the most medals will be declared the winner. If a tie still exists,
b. The number of Gold medals earned in the Final Round will be tallied, and the brewer with the most Gold medals will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
c. The number of entries qualifying for the Final Round will be tallied for each tying brewer, and the brewer with the fewest entries in the Final Round will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
d. Points will be calculated for tying brewers’ entries that placed in the First Round of the NHC based on the same scale as used in the Final Round. The brewer with the most points in the First Round will be declared the winner. If a tie still exists,
e. The number of entries qualifying for the Final Round will be tallied for each tying brewer, and the brewer with the most entries placing in the First Round will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
f. The total number of entries registered for the First Round of the competition will be tallied for each tying brewer, and the brewer with the fewest registered entries will be declared the winner. If a tie still exists,
g. The winner will be selected using a random selection method. A random method such as rock-paper-scissors, steel cage death match, or a coin flip will be applied at the discretion of the competition organizers to determine the winner.
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*sigh* - despite being told multiple times, "c" and "e" are still the opposite of each other.  "e" needs to be deleted.
Furthermore, I think "c" makes little sense in a competition with severe entry limits.  The 23 gold medalists this year advanced 1, 2, or 3 to the Finals.  "a" and "b" are pretty outdated too.

Here are the rankings of the top 23, using tiebreakers a thru d.  Assuming the redundant "e" is deleted, if Voeltz had not won that second medal, we'd have a 6-way tie for first place, and would need to figure out who had the "fewest 1st round entries".  Considering everyone had 1,2,3 or 4, another tie is possible.  The idea that we'll never get to the coin flip is simply false in these days of entry limits.

place   Brewer   Final Points   Final Medals   Gold Medals   # advancing   1st rd points
1   Voeltz   8   2   1   3   10
2   Boeke   6   1   1   1   6
2   Fish   6   1   1   1   6
2   Gladue   6   1   1   1   6
2   Hilferding   6   1   1   1   6
2   Sapp   6   1   1   1   6
2   Shibiya   6   1   1   1   6
8   Barry   6   1   1   1   4
9   Collins   6   1   1   1   2
9   Rawks   6   1   1   1   2
11   Reinholdt   6   1   1   2   12
12   Carter   6   1   1   2   10
12   Hixson   6   1   1   2   10
12   Linder   6   1   1   2   10
12   Reuter   6   1   1   2   10
16   Gutierrez   6   1   1   2   8
16   Kampshoff   6   1   1   2   8
16   Marvin   6   1   1   2   8
16   Rodammer   6   1   1   2   8
20   Schmitt   6   1   1   2   6
20   Vrabel   6   1   1   2   6
22   Wilcox   6   1   1   3   16
23   McNair   6   1   1   3   14

(I'll format it later.  basically we've got 6 guys with one gold medal, blue ribbon beer, that was the only thing they advanced to the Finals, and one tiebreaker left before the coin flip)

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2014 NHC broadcast???
« on: June 16, 2014, 10:15:43 AM »
Put me down in the column for 23-way tie among beer gold medalists = not a meaningful award.  We were THAT close...

Its not that though - remember Jeremy's medal in mead counts as do all of his first place placings. So he started with a big lead if he managed to get 3 entries into the second round.

you lost me, Drew.
Jeremy has 8 Final Round points.
22 other beer medalists have 6.

One bronze medal separated us from going to the tiebreakers.  And not a tiebreaker among 2 or 3 brewers, but every single beer gold medal.   If that's not close I don't know what is.

 I went through the First Round results.  Didn't see anyone's name 4 times.  Saw like 30+ with 3.  None with 3 First Round Blue Ribbons (except some without any beer ribbons).  I had 16 First Round points, and a few others did too.  If it comes to that, I repeat:  I do not find it to be a meaningful award.

Big lead?  I don't see it.

cheers--
--Michael

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Events / Re: 2014 NHC Grand Rapids Review
« on: June 16, 2014, 08:13:28 AM »
a wasted member of our table showed up late.  I grabbed/ate his salad as they were going to clear the plate.  The thought of them throwing that goat cheese away was not something I was willing to chance. 

(they did bring him another salad when his drunk ass eventually stumbled in.) 

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2014 NHC broadcast???
« on: June 16, 2014, 07:45:54 AM »
Actually, there were 3 people with 2 medals in the final round:

Jeremey Voeltz (Gold in SHV and Bronze in Other Mead) - Ninkasi winner

Karl King (Bronze in Bock and Bronze in Strong Ale)

Jeff Carlson (Gold in Specialty Cider and Bronze in Standard Cider): Note that Jeff would not be eligible for Ninkasi per the rules because he did not medal in a beer category.

So, it really came down to one having a Gold/bronze versus a bronze/bronze. But, congrats to these three for medaling twice. It's so difficult to do that with the 4 entry limit.

Cheers!

basically correct, though obviously King was not second in case anyone interprets your post that way.  It's still about points before number of medals, so it came down to Voeltz and then a 22-way tie among other Beer Gold medalists.

Put me down in the column for 23-way tie among beer gold medalists = not a meaningful award.  We were THAT close... 

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2014 NHC forum meet up
« on: June 16, 2014, 06:22:49 AM »
I tried to introduce myself to hopfenundmalz at least a half dozen times, but always someone was talking to him.  Popular guy.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2014 NHC forum meet up
« on: June 13, 2014, 02:36:15 PM »
Meeting you guys always sounds like a great idea.

...but then beer happens.

I did stop by to meet a few at least.  Even a Duck.  Seemed a decent guy; I'd pour my 3rd or 4th best beer on him if he was on fire.  ;)

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2014 NHC broadcast???
« on: June 12, 2014, 03:54:40 AM »
it was here last year:
http://www.justin.tv/brewingnetwork
I'd probably check there again.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2014 NHC forum meet up
« on: June 10, 2014, 05:57:10 PM »
after seeing some pictures, I'm torn on attending this. 

mead exam in 11 hours; time to start studyin'
well, maybe after another trip to Founders.  The AHA collaboration beer is great...

looks like the meetup is the same place as all the cider seminars.  And after the seminars, there should be some great ciders in the Social Club.  I *heart* Cider Friday.  8)

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Judging at NHC
« on: June 10, 2014, 04:55:29 AM »
haven't received my judge category via e-mail, so I logged in and noted I was assigned to Light Lager.

anyway, just in case anyone else is still waiting for their assignment, you might try that.

cheers--
--Michael

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Events / Re: 2014 NHC Beer Trade
« on: June 08, 2014, 09:56:37 PM »
picked up an extra bottle of each of the three New Glarus fruit beers if someone is dying to try them.  Could probably be talked out of a bottle of the NG Berliner Weisse (w/ grapes) if you're nice or willing to say mean things about a university I don't like.  Sorry, I have no Lazy Monk growler to share; I killed it myself.  8)
today after a few winery and cider tastings I was in braufessor's neck of the woods and stopped by Toppling Goliath.  A few bottles of Pseudo Sue with me if someone's dying to try it.

no biggie; they "drank pretty good" as that Holmes guy would say...

Just found my buddy Beertracker while visiting at a certain brewery in Munster IN.  Trunk full of Alpha King?  Check! 


cheers--
--Michael

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Judging at NHC
« on: June 04, 2014, 08:57:38 PM »
flights at NHC finals are fairly unique in being fairly evenly sized.  We're talking 12 regions, top 3, minus perhaps someone who didn't ship, some 3rd place 1st round entrant who didn't manage 30, and adding a couple of administrative advance entries.

previously we've had 3 teams for the last few NHC finals.  makes for just over 10 beers each.
Months ago it was discussed that we needed 4 teams if we were going to grow the Finals.  I hope this happened; 38/4 is going to be fun.  38/3 makes for a long morning, especially for whomever is judging with Beertracker.

(haha, take it easy Jeff!  I've got nothing but love for ya!)

cheers--
--Michael

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 2014 NHC forum meet up
« on: June 04, 2014, 11:34:18 AM »
"All Forums meet-up"
I heard next Friday at noon...
Room still TBD?

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Other Fermentables / Re: Melomel with Juice
« on: May 30, 2014, 02:10:22 PM »
I don't have a hard/fast rule.  Depends on the specific juice (some of them are very powerful, others more delicate) and the batch size, and things like how big the bag of frozen fruit is.  I keep it simple, so using a gallon of juice and a 2x 3-lb bag of blueberries, for instance, is definitely something I've done.  Pretty sure that was a 3.5-gallon batch; ask AmandaK how it turned out.  ;)
I do tend to stuff 25C and 28B with fruit character and then blend in "straight" cider or mead to taste later.  Easier to go too high and blend to get the balance I like than finding out later I'm low on fruit.  YMMV

if that 100% blueberry juice was just slightly cheaper, I'd drink it every day.  the juice, not the melomel.
well, both.

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Other Fermentables / Re: Melomel with Juice
« on: May 30, 2014, 12:34:03 PM »
RW Knudsens is great; I've used blueberry, tart cherry, black currant extensively, cranberry and a couple others on occasion.
However I do always use SOME whole fruit.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Blending. Again.
« on: May 30, 2014, 10:49:26 AM »
I'd make an extra bitter dunkel and blend together into a smaller bock, but I'm crazy like that.

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