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There are some basics here you need to understand. I assume you haven't tasted it yet?

It's going to be dry. The amount of character will vary with the source apples, yeast, and fermentation conditions.

I generally find people's first batch of cider is sulfury, needs acid, and is sometimes mousy.  But a few hit home runs right off the bat.

Yes, you can add flavorings; its your cider so do what you want. Some flavorings will fool the best palates, others taste highly artificial.  Understand unless you stabilize your cider the yeast will restart and consume the honey until it is dry again - unless you truly add a boatload of honey to overwhelm the yeast's alc tolerance, and at that point it's cyser, not cider.  When you say you want honey/berry you want to taste apple? Want it sweet? Carbonated?
...I guess what I'm saying is I can't really tell you specifics until I know you understand the basics of fermentation of an almost completely fermentable product.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 18, 2015, 02:41:16 AM »
if before the competition starts you know the COTY is either Club A or Club B...well, how meaningful is that?

Could anyone really argue with giving it to the club that earns the most points in the Final Round?  The ones with the most bling?  A club version of Ninkasi, basically?  As it is now we give out all these medals for best, trophies for best of the best, and then finish with one "biggest" award.  Woo-hoo.


Events / Re: NHC 2016 Location
« on: June 17, 2015, 11:37:23 AM »
Wait... You couldn't bring homebrew to the home brewing banquet?? 

Welcome to an effect of the new CA law which requires that homebrew served at a member's festival that mixes homebrew and commercial beer have the two services clearly separated. The AHA was being strict in the implementation. I believe there was miscommunication between the AHA and the security staff because Gary did ask in the banquet that people with homebrew should just step outside the banquet area and pour their homebrew and bring it back in

The solution Gary mentioned was reasonable. I think people are just saying it should have been communicated in materials given when we arrived, and probably during his other speeches. Telling people this after they sat down to eat, possibly having left their beer in their room, kinda defeats the purpose.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 17, 2015, 11:31:22 AM »
I kinda thought that it was obvious that the award announced at the end of the National Homebrewing Competition was about competition. No one has said COTY stands for anything else.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 16, 2015, 07:49:16 PM »
Dividing by size is fine, though each winner will no doubt be at the top of their size range.

...was just talking to Amanda that the entire current system is the antithesis of what clubs are about. Sad.
Sad that we've got to scheme and potentially leave new enthusiastic brewers out or recruit as many as possible outside our area if we want to win.

I'd still like to see us give "most final round points" and "most total points per entry" awards.

Events / Re: 2015 NHC Impressions
« on: June 16, 2015, 02:20:12 PM »
It sounds like a great time.  I have already started prepping  the wife to try and make it to Baltimore for my first.  The 4 kids schedules and activities may be a challenge, but if i might  ask a personal question, how much does one budget for an NHC conference, assuming a few local brewery tours?  I understand hotel and travel... anything else to accout for?  Please feel free to pm me or chastise me openly if this isn't appropriate.  Just trying to gather info/data for next year...

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Data pt: I just spent $1850 on airfare, airport xfers, full conference, 5 nights at host hotel, and a few poor to decent meals, w/o visiting any breweries. It certainly ain't cheap, esp when you're not splitting a room.  Still, I hope you can make it next year. I drove to Grand Rapids, did lots of outside tours and events, and spent $400-500 on them.

Events / Re: 2015 NHC Impressions
« on: June 16, 2015, 12:15:37 PM »
How did people feel about the hours the expo/social club was open?  Felt fairly limited to me. Had to skip the AHA member mtg just to get over there briefly.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 16, 2015, 01:35:45 AM »
I guess we could divide first round points by number of regions entered, then add Finals pts.

*shrug* - silly, yeah. Just like the way we do it now...

*edit* - actually lets just get rid of Gambrinus, and make COTY total First + Final round points divided by total entries.

Events / Re: 2015 NHC Impressions
« on: June 15, 2015, 10:24:24 PM »
3. I reeeeeally liked the food... for good reason. I was pretty surprised by the lackluster beer pairing, despite loving Lagunitas.

I really enjoyed the main course and dessert, but I think all salad courses must be compared to the awesome 2014 banquet salad.

Heard several nearby lackluster comments re: pairing.  I'll be honest; I was floating on Alpine Duet when I walked in and only even tasted the last of the 4 beers.  That one was certainly lackluster.   

Events / Re: 2015 NHC Impressions
« on: June 15, 2015, 09:55:04 PM »
Am I the only one who thought the majority of Club Night beers were sub-par??.

you already know I'm with you.  And that it's not new.  I loved the KCBM booth last year; your beers were on point, even when they were experimental.
I'll repeat that I love Pro Night because the avg quality is so high.  This year I couldn't follow my usual plan for Club Night, which is to show up late and find out what is great from other people.  The "brought their A-game" brewers/clubs really stick out.

I didn't mind being outside, though yes the lighting was sometimes an issue.  It did seem, however, that the outdoor stuff was sized for 2011's 2K attendees and not 2015's 3K attendees.  Pretty crowded.

Had a Garden room, first floor.  Unimpressive, awful bed, though I had among the shortest walk to stuff like Club Night so that worked out OK.  Only one night had a crowd of people outside my door at 1:45; the other nights were fairly quiet.  As a gardener, the grounds were a dream.

Not having my beers/meads/ciders there to share is probably my biggest regret.  I'll fix that for Baltimore; it just isn't as fun when I can't share with my OTHER family. 

The competition ran very smoothly  (and I'm so glad the leftover bottles were saved unlike '14!)  I personally witnessed Bruce getting people's contact info on Wednesday, and finding a place for them to judge (although, note that adding extra judges to an already-set schedule made flights shorter, which made people done earlier, which created the whole "lunch isn't ready yet" thing.  I would support making him permanent judge director; he has a good CEO quality and gets stuff done.  I don't think anyone who shows up the morning of a national competition expecting to help can really be upset with the organization of said competition if they are turned away.  The planning for this thing is incredible.

Next year I hope to win all 4 Major Awards and get booed louder than the Brewing Network for hogging all the hardware.  ;)

hope to see you next year--

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« on: June 15, 2015, 09:12:25 PM »
I'm a member of the 1997 Club Of The Year.
it was accomplished with less than 20 members...times have sure changed, eh?!

2014 we finished 5th in COTY.  Only clubs ahead of us were national, giant, a collection of award-winning PNW brewers, and very large.  Only club to win 4 medals; only two others got 3.  Yet we were light years away from COTY points-wise.

So we had aimed for Gambrinus instead.  Finished close 2nd, way ahead of 3rd place, and would have won, if some brand-new brewers hadn't insisted on entering poor batches.  (Whatever; I can't exactly bar them from entering.)  Next year we'll try for Gambrinus again.

Club Of The Year?  Whatever - we don't have a chance, so we don't care. It's too bad, because the COTY award WAS one we were proud of.

My HOPE is that the other large clubs will dissolve into small ones, to try for Gambrinus.  I would argue that QUAFF coming close is actually dragging this out.  Once BN is winning COTY by a factor of 5 over every other club, it'll eventually go away.  Same goes for if BN no longer entered and QUAFF was dominating - that wouldn't have meaning either.


P.S. - I'm taking applications if any Midwest superclubs are forming and recruiting.    ;)

Events / Re: 2015 NHC Impressions
« on: June 14, 2015, 08:42:26 PM »
Couldn't be helped this year, but I'm reminded that I said previously I'd never fly out early morning the day after conference. I am on waaaay to little sleep to put up with hours of airport delays! Just stay an extra day!  8)

Homebrew Competitions / Re: Final Round Scores
« on: June 14, 2015, 05:21:15 AM »
fwiw, OP did in fact place, twice. Perhaps the AHA briefly had the "show winners" box checked before fixing the glitch.

Oh, and congrats OP!

Events / Re: NHC 2015: good eating nearby?
« on: June 09, 2015, 07:15:28 PM »
Just arrived at T&C trying to pick my first target now... Lol. I have to wait on the 'big' ones until Tracy gets here our she'll yell at me for going without her lol

its better to ask forgiveness than ask permission. 

...(says the guy whose wife isn't travelling with him)   ;D

Events / Re: NHC Thursday night?
« on: June 08, 2015, 06:37:56 PM »
The Baltimore rumor might have started because some judges who registered to judge in the final round without final round entries are seeing the draft of the "final round letter" that will eventually go out to entrants. Here's a clip from the letter I see when I log in:

[obligatory "I wasn't able to see this letter" humblebrag]   ;)

see ya soon Dennis!

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