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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Bias in BJCP judging?
« on: March 09, 2014, 05:03:04 PM »

until AmandaK does a retake and sets a new record score, I'm Kansas' only Master Judge.

figure it out.  ;)


Homebrew Competitions / Re: Thoughts/Opinions
« on: March 09, 2014, 01:48:01 PM »

It is a good point, but in the same breath, what's the point of having a sponsoring a comp and more than 50-60% of entries come from your own club taking home the bulk of medals? Is it just to amass a lot of points to place in the AHA club comp? MCAB Comp? Homebrewer of the Year award? If that's the goal, then I plan on doing more research on the club sponsored competitions I decide to enter in the future.

I guess I just don't understand what the problem is.
Competitions are about who has the best beer, right?   Does it matter where it comes from?
AHA Club of the year comes only from NHC anymore.  MCAB is a circuit known well in advance anyone can enter.  Homebrewer of the Year sounds like a solo award; who cares if a club has a bunch of medals.  What goal are you talking about?  Is there anything really other than bragging rights at stake here?

Also, while I'm happy if a fellow club member wins something, I can't say that it really means anything to me.  It's not like they were all club group brews.  There's a few of those, sure, but it doesn't really say anything about my brewing if a fellow club member wins.

Finally, with the insane amount of work that sponsoring clubs put into a competition, the awards/banquet can be a "we're finally done!" party.  Why shouldn't they have a bunch of beers entered and cheer for their friends who win?  They did all the work!

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Bias in BJCP judging?
« on: March 09, 2014, 06:38:17 AM »
He says it would be helped by fermentation temps being watched, but I fermented with a fermentation thermistor and thermostat at 50 degrees F in a thermowell.  This just seems to be a judge looking for flaws....  I am willing to accept constructive criticism, but not erroneous criticism.  Sorry to sound sour grapes, but really.... At least get it close to being accurate.

the judge doesn't have any idea what your process was.  If they say they detect excessive alcohol, perhaps they did.  Perhaps they did not, but some other flaw was identified on their palate as alcohol.  Dominant alcohol in a 1D should get dinged.  I assume they're talking about a harshness to the alcohol profile or a noticeable warming in the mouthfeel or a finish that disappears on the palate leaving an alcohol aftertaste.  I suppose it's possible some perfumy higher alcohols were noted though obviously it seems unlikely.  What other comments did they have? 

I make a great porter that more often that not is dead-on to Eddy Fitz.  Last comp entered it scored a 29/30, one of them by a National Judge.  Still got pushed to mini-BOS, where I'm told it finished 4th.  Obviously that pair weren't a fan of many porters that day.  It happens.  If three competition results reveal that the judges think my beer sucks, then yeah at that point I've got an ugly baby.

Did you send that batch to NHC yesterday?  If so let's see what they say first.  I always request to judge that category if I don't enter it myself. 

good luck--

The Pub / Re: I'm back, I hope
« on: March 08, 2014, 10:58:12 AM »
"hurling" sounds like a post-Club Night event.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: NHC shipping issues
« on: March 08, 2014, 10:49:40 AM »
"gifts" is my standard answer, but I haven't been asked this is years, because I have a FedEx account, print my own label, and drop it off with a wave.  No talking.

friends who have worked with both major shipping companies have told me they considered "fragile" and "handle with care" to be a challenge, thus unless the box I'm using already had this marked on it, I don't bother.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: AHA Conference Hotels
« on: March 07, 2014, 12:01:52 PM »
Glad they fixed the dates.  Wouldn't want someone showing up the wrong week:

Devos Place schedule:
Jun 10 - Jun 14, 2014  American Homebrewers Association 2014 Conference
Jun 16 - Jun 19, 2014  American Baptist Association 2014 National Meeting

Might be a few less kegs of beer at one of those than the other.

Since its actually close to me I would like to sign up to judge for the experience but I'm not planning to attend the conference. Is that possible?

I'm certain they will still value the help of a trained judge.  It's just like any other competition at that point.

Events / Re: NHC Hotels filled up already?
« on: March 07, 2014, 10:14:25 AM »
Marriott filled up on Tuesday in the time it took me to make a couple clicks, so I'm at the Amway for the other 4, at least.  Will make other arrangements for that first night or check back later in the spring...

glad that's mostly out of the way, at least.

Was just able to book the JW Marriott with the AHA link for Tues-Sun.  JW's are usually really nice.  You might want to try today now that the rooms are released.

actually that's what I tried.  it showed availability, I clicked it, and it said no availability anymore.  whatever; just glad to be there.  And have to figure out how to manage a Wednesday arrival with an 8:30 am Wednesday Mead exam.   ;)


Events / Re: NHC Hotels filled up already?
« on: March 07, 2014, 10:06:35 AM »
Marriott filled up on Tuesday in the time it took me to make a couple clicks, so I'm at the Amway for the other 4, at least.  Will make other arrangements for that first night or check back later in the spring...

glad that's mostly out of the way, at least.

The Pub / Re: I'm back, I hope
« on: March 07, 2014, 09:07:09 AM »
Tom, how do you feel about those who want to replace Romar?

 ;D  Go Dawgs!

(good to have you back)


General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Bias in BJCP judging?
« on: March 07, 2014, 06:16:37 AM »
More threads like this and I might just go for BJCP status.  I think my palte is not up to speed, but I am getting better.  I really have trouble with not wanting to make a mistake and not detecting the proper causes to an effect, but it sounds like you don't have to have a remedy, just because the beer has a detectable flaw? 

well, you do need to be able to provide feedback to address faults if you want a good score, and (forgetting the whole exam thing for the moment) if you want to be helpful to the brewer. 

for everyone, remember Feedback includes not just fixing "off" characters, but what style it might better fit into, and how it differs from the style it is entered into. 
"This style has a richer, heavily-balanced-to-malt profile than is present in your beer, or is covered by the high level of sharp, astringent hop characters and what appears to be a wild yeast infection." - that offers some explanation.  "DMS - uncover your boil" - doesn't really help anyone.

Homebrew Competitions / Re: NHC
« on: March 05, 2014, 10:33:00 AM »
How important is the wording in the "Special Ingredient / Classic Style" block? Is it transferred word for word to the judging sheet or is it paraphrased by the stewards or someone else?  Do the judges just get the classic style and ingredient and none of the verbal BS?

Asking because I went to clean up a silly description today and found the edit button is gone.
Hi Tesguino,

The edit capability was inadvertently disabled, but it should be available again now.  Please be as succinct as possible in your description.  Thanks for editing your entry. 


side note:  thanks for the extra 25 characters.  Describing some things in 50 last year was difficult w/o getng rly gud @ abbrev.   75 works fine on my end.   8)

Events / Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
« on: March 04, 2014, 07:12:58 PM »
link didn't work for me and neither did copy/paste in IE, but was able to highlight and open in new window with Firefox.

Events / Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
« on: March 04, 2014, 03:49:18 PM »
I always like to get there Tuesday night.
Already signed up for the Wed. morning mead exam.  The process of becoming a judge improved my beers more than anything else; I'm hoping this study process I'm in does a bit of the same with my mead, which still needs help. 

want to take the mead/cider tour, but am waiting to see what the subject of the BJCP Judge Reception is.  With the upcoming Cider Guideline updates, I'd be unlikely to miss any training that had to do with cider.


All Grain Brewing / Re: 100% Vienna
« on: March 04, 2014, 03:32:10 PM »

Hopefully I'm not derailing the thread too much, but… Does it bother anyone else that an all-Vienna grist doesn't hit the color "target" for a Vienna Lager? It seems like it's the only BJCP style that requires a grain addition for color adjustment only.

I guess the better question is, why the discrepancy? Were "Vienna" malts that much darker back in the day? Or did the style just become darker with the mass-market Mexican examples using coloring agents?

I've gotten used to coloring mine.  Seems silly, but I've seen enough judges who preconceive that it is missing a certain flavor based on a lack of a certain color.  As others have noted, Munich Dunkel is another where the common ingredients might not get you to the "proper" color, but I've never entered it in a competition before to see if it gets treated the same as 3A.

side note - the gold medal NHC Oktoberfest was the lightest colored 3B in the Finals.  Loved that beer.  Pretty much 1/3 each Vienna/Munich/Pilsner if I remember correctly.

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