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Going Pro / Re: Fermenting / Water
« on: June 14, 2017, 07:14:15 PM »
Hi,   Im about to order (4) 10bbl Fermenters and (1) 10bbl Bright tank


I want to know what is the opinion on fermenting IPA's how long should the beer ferment?
how long should it mature?

Should it be in the bright tank before carbonating or should I let it sit in the bright tank for a while after carbonating?

How many days of dryhopp?

For the water what would be the ideal calcium / sulfate ratio?
any other "ideal" properties for the water in general?

I think my water is coming out hard and is not making the perfect IPA :(

I'm going to skip your water question because I have no idea since I don't know what your water is.

For your IPA: If your fermenatation practices are sound 1-2 weeks. Dump or harvest yeast then dry hop. You will want to dry hop via a closed/purged transfer or you will be oxidizing the beer. Or dry hop near the end of fermentation so the yeast scavenge the o2. this is going to be up to you and your technique.

Dry hopping should only take 3-4 days, especially if you are blowing hops into suspension with co2. Or using pump to recirc hops (can be ready in hours that way).

Cold crash in fermentor and remove as much yeast as you can. You want the beer to be ready to package when it is in BT (obviously after carbbed). That's why it is called BT. The beer is ready to carb and package/keg. Keeping a beer in a BT to clear is pointless because, if you are running a brewery, your BT needs to be cleared ASAP so you can put another beer in the BT to package. In other words, beer should only go to the BT when it is ready to package/keg.

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The Pub / Re: What is the Purpose of this Forum?
« on: June 09, 2017, 04:47:11 AM »


my passion for cars was ruined after a career in the auto industry. Be careful with what you wish for!

Thankfully I only grow more passionate about brewing every day! I love my job. I am one lucky SOB!

As far as the original poster and others decrying the lack of "Advanced Brewing Methods" or "Lack of Brewing Science", I'm left scratching my head. We have a 20 page thread alone on Introduction to LODO brewing. We have very interesting information coming from Bryan, Big Monk, Experimental brewing podcast, Brulosophy, and pages of information you wouldn't have found here a year ago. It seems like many of you feel that there is a resistance to "advanced methods" and, as I have hammered home to ya'll over and over again - not the case. I have explained it thoroughly and won't delve into it again. History is well documented here.

I have advocated for a "Brewing Science" section or "Advanced All Grain" and I will go to the powers that be and request it again. I will reiterate that obviously the only real problem with this forum is the bickering AND lack of respect given to the mods and other members. I am not saying mods should be above other users but when members obviously stalk mods posts to create friction, it's a problem. And when other member stalk other members posts to question or berate (and I'm speaking from both sides of the spectrum) that is a problem too. And when members can't disagree with other members without the disagreement becoming unnecessarily heated. Those are the problems with this forum, not the lack of advanced topics or information.

Obviously I am not above the fray here but I am trying to swing the hammer to quell the division. Unfortunately my tactics where poorly executed and I will rethink them for the next time. And I really won't say anything else about it from here on out I really do promise. Dead horse officially beaten.

Comments are welcome here, and even disagreements are welcome. But we must keep them respectful from now on.

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The Pub / Re: What is the Purpose of this Forum?
« on: June 07, 2017, 03:56:56 AM »
but it also doesn't mean you can discount the facts about brewing science. Those things hold true regardless. Doesn't mean you are making bad beer but it also doesn't mean that your beer couldn't be better. Why else would we devote so much time, energy and passion into this if not to help people?


There's a lot of innuendo and accusation pointing toward both sides, and finger pointing I feel directed at me in particular, and I am going to give my side.

I have almost never come in and directly questioned Bryan's or your findings. The ONLY time I ever questioned ya'lls methods was one time when I questioned why Bittburger would spend so much money on LODO methods when the sixpack I picked up suffered from diacetyl (which I believed was oxidation problem). I honestly can't remember another instance.

The entire derailment of the locked thread was because of Bryan's tirade against Denny. It was completely disrespectful. Categorizing LODO proponents as "LODO Nazis" was poor judgment on my part, especially in this age of political correctness, and "LODO zealots" would have been a better choice.  I have been around for a very long time and it was once acceptable to call people "Style Nazi" and honestly, I didn't mean anything insulting by the term. I do regret using that terminology now. However, I do feel it stopped short of "name calling", as another has mentioned. It is simply not the same as calling someone a "dick", etc.

But, whatever the case, it brought everything crashing down (although, it was going down in flames from the start.) During which I was accused of "being against Bryan's methods from the beginning" ... what??? I have never, not once tried to stop him from bringing his information. If anyone feels this is so, please go and show me!

You say "forcefulness in delivery can go hand in hand with passion about a subject" and herein lies the problem. "Forcefulness of delivery". That has all I have ever said has been the problem.

When constant bickering starts to drive members away I feel like it is my job as a mod to try to correct the situation. Unfortunately it appears I have not gone about it the proper way. However, I will point out that I have NOT been involved with the constant bickering. Rather I have tried to STOP the bickering by barking down whom I have thought the problem was and only once it started to swing totally out of control!

There have only EVER been two people on this forum I have had strong words with: Bryan Rabe and BrewBoy. So for anyone to insinuate that I have been disrespectful to the forum members as a whole, I find that simply outrageous. In both times I grew forceful with my handling of the users because they were both causing rifts in the forum.

I will say, finally, that there isn't an issue with people bringing advanced topics to this forum. There is a problem with people coming onto this forum and acting disrespectful to other's opinions and views.

Rule #3. Be respectful of the questions and comments of others. It is OK to disagree with someone, but do so with respect. Keep the AHA forum friendly and encouraging of everyone's participation. We will not tolerate rudeness, insults, personal attacks, inflammatory remarks, threats, racial/ethnic slurs, trolling, flame baiting or similarly disruptive postings.

By trying to enforce this rule I can see where I accidentally "flame bated" Bryan and Big Monk with the "Nazi" comment, but the problem is Bryan skates or literally breaks the "be respectful" on a regular basis.

If we have rules and we have mods, then what are the mods here for if not to enforce the rules???

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The Pub / Re: What is the Purpose of this Forum?
« on: June 06, 2017, 03:57:15 PM »
At the risk of kicking the hornets nest again I would like to reply: I don't feel in any way that this forum is against "advanced techniques". It is more about a balance in delivery towards brewers in a practical sense. Look at it this way: What if, in the Extract section of the forum, we had a few members whom, every time a question is asked about extract brewing, come and and tell them they can't really brew good beer with extract! They need to be brewing All Grain!

Obviously, extreme illustration. And for that matter, I do feel like AG brewing is far superior to Extract brewing so I very, very rarely post in the Extract forum. I'm not the guy that needs to be answering those questions.

There has to be a balance of content that provides information to all those who seek it, and that information needs to be at the skill level of those who are looking.

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The Pub / Re: Decided not to ask my brewing question on AHA
« on: June 04, 2017, 07:36:41 PM »
Thanks. I think posterity has spoken for itself. Gonna lock this one down.

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The Pub / Re: Decided not to ask my brewing question on AHA
« on: June 04, 2017, 06:58:06 PM »
Bryan, you are, as always, way over the top. Here's your very first post on this thread

"Don't play the victim here Denny. Since the DAY we brought information about oxidation forward you have been hellbent on trying to disprove modern brewing science."

I disagree with Denny all the time. About a good bunch of things. And never feel the need to respond to him that way. Not toward him or anyone else. You are the one with the vendetta, not me.

If you want to play the "you represent the AHA" card, fine. Go ahead. Modding this forum is not something I do for reward. If the AHA wants to remove me as mod I will step down.

Respond to him in what way, asking questions?

I see him saying it goes both ways all the time, but the mods tones never change. 

Keith I know for a fact you guys mock us in private, so when you come out in public and act innocent I know it's just not right and people should be informed.

I am not "seeking" anything but putting out the real and proper information that is always backed up with either analysis or experience or both. I have no book deals or podcasts, or monetary endorsements not would I ever accept them if they came about. It's not my bag. Hell I am just a hack trying to piece stuff together anyways.  Everything I am doing to help spread the knowledge is COSTING me money! How stupid am I!


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lol mocked you in private. OMG that is so hysterical. You are very paranoid. The last 20 PMs I got from Denny was me being included in removing SPAM posts to unfortunate advertisers. I can assure you that I have never discussed you in private. Actually, I probably did in the mod forum well over  a year ago. I actually think you bring positive info to the forum. But you have a terrible attitude and awful presentation.

And as far as the "nazi" thing goes I do apologize. Zealots would have been better term. The "style nazi" idea is just such homebrew lexicon.

I don't apologize for calling you out for your behavior though. Stop it!

  Doesn't matter the words you use, your hate filled posts towards me shows your true meaning.

Every time I post are you going to continue insult me?

I would appreciate if you stopped. 


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Hate filled posts ....

"Don't play the victim here Denny. Since the DAY we brought information about oxidation forward you have been hellbent on trying to disprove modern brewing science."

You are the one with the vendetta. Your actions are evident. I'm done with this conversation.

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The Pub / Re: Decided not to ask my brewing question on AHA
« on: June 04, 2017, 06:25:24 PM »
Bryan, you are, as always, way over the top. Here's your very first post on this thread

"Don't play the victim here Denny. Since the DAY we brought information about oxidation forward you have been hellbent on trying to disprove modern brewing science."

I disagree with Denny all the time. About a good bunch of things. And never feel the need to respond to him that way. Not toward him or anyone else. You are the one with the vendetta, not me.

If you want to play the "you represent the AHA" card, fine. Go ahead. Modding this forum is not something I do for reward. If the AHA wants to remove me as mod I will step down.

Respond to him in what way, asking questions?

I see him saying it goes both ways all the time, but the mods tones never change. 

Keith I know for a fact you guys mock us in private, so when you come out in public and act innocent I know it's just not right and people should be informed.

I am not "seeking" anything but putting out the real and proper information that is always backed up with either analysis or experience or both. I have no book deals or podcasts, or monetary endorsements not would I ever accept them if they came about. It's not my bag. Hell I am just a hack trying to piece stuff together anyways.  Everything I am doing to help spread the knowledge is COSTING me money! How stupid am I!


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lol mocked you in private. OMG that is so hysterical. You are very paranoid. The last 20 PMs I got from Denny was me being included in removing SPAM posts to unfortunate advertisers. I can assure you that I have never discussed you in private. Actually, I probably did in the mod forum well over  a year ago. I actually think you bring positive info to the forum. But you have a terrible attitude and awful presentation.

And as far as the "nazi" thing goes I do apologize. Zealots would have been better term. The "style nazi" idea is just such homebrew lexicon.

I don't apologize for calling you out for your behavior though. Stop it!

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The Pub / Re: Decided not to ask my brewing question on AHA
« on: June 04, 2017, 05:24:34 PM »
Bryan, you are, as always, way over the top. Here's your very first post on this thread

"Don't play the victim here Denny. Since the DAY we brought information about oxidation forward you have been hellbent on trying to disprove modern brewing science."

I disagree with Denny all the time. About a good bunch of things. And never feel the need to respond to him that way. Not toward him or anyone else. You are the one with the vendetta, not me.

If you want to play the "you represent the AHA" card, fine. Go ahead. Modding this forum is not something I do for reward. If the AHA wants to remove me as mod I will step down.

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The Pub / Re: Decided not to ask my brewing question on AHA
« on: June 04, 2017, 05:13:59 PM »
It's not a bias against you it is a reaction to your attitude. Which sucks.

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The Pub / Re: Decided not to ask my brewing question on AHA
« on: June 04, 2017, 05:04:14 PM »
How can anyone who hasn't tried it even form an opinion on a subject anyways.  Sounds like a dead on example of confirmation bias.

Look dude, I don't have an opinion on LODO. I have an opinion on YOU. And you are a problem!

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The Pub / Re: Decided not to ask my brewing question on AHA
« on: June 04, 2017, 05:03:20 PM »
I have said it before and I will say it again but the Mods and Admins here have a very challenging job. And, whether or not it is intentional or not, this forum is being split apart. and a huge part of that has to do with the LODO techniques and the "insistence" in the facts that it is indisputably the best way to brew beer .... period.

I applaud any new information that comes to the front but it seems like some folks need to validate their discoveries to the point of insistence that is simply not necessary. Then come in and point the fingers at other mods or admin because they feel their methods aren't getting the credence they deserve.

But the mods have to keep this a forum that is open to all and sometimes "highly advanced" methods can be insisted upon that defeat the purpose of the simple pleasure of brewing a great homebrewed beer with a "ZapPap" double buckeyt mashtun ... or (heaven forbid) batch spraging! ;)

Now we have folks who are saying "I don't even feel comfortable posting here" and that is a serious problem. We, as mods and admins, do our best to keep the peace. I'm sure the LODO Zealots (that's a better word than Nazi) just want to point the fingers at the Mods and Admins for us not just letting them have free reign of the forum. But, FORTUNATELY it doesn't work like that.

Bryan, you need to write a book or open a brewery or something. Seriously. validation will be there.

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The Pub / Re: Decided not to ask my brewing question on AHA
« on: June 04, 2017, 04:45:14 PM »
Don't play the victim here Denny. Since the DAY we brought information about oxidation forward you have been hellbent on trying to disprove modern brewing science. I have people everywhere I know exactly what goes on behind the scenes.  Your bias shows on nearly every post.  I am still confused how you were so against it but now endorse a product used solely to combat it. Has your stance now changed or!?

I would also still love to hear the reasoning why so many low oxygen presentations didn't get accepted for HBC here, even though you claim there is no shenanigans, things don't add up.

I have said countless times that I brewed nearly 1000 batches of beer using EVERY method under the sun. I made good beer, hell, great beer by homebrewing standards and I have boxes of medals to prove it. I would have to go back and count but I am at probably 300+ batches trying these new methods and feel my beers have gone to another level. But some how my "experience" doesn't seem to hold a candle to others who have brewed 1/3rd of the batches. I have walked on both sides of the line, that somehow seems to be easily "forgotten". You WILL make better beers with the less amount of oxygen you include in your brewing practices. It's LITERALLY a proven fact.

Everyone is so sensitive. There will always be a better way and someone smarter than you. The faster you realizes that the easier life is.

There will always be ways to make better beer, now whether you chose to do them is up to the person. I have literally been laughed out of the room, because the methods I used and in the eyes of real brewmasters it's laughable. I don't disagree I a dude who tinkers in my basement, I use hacks and workarounds and do to the best of my ability. Maybe it's the character of the person but that only drives me personally to get better. 

More recently I am fully RHG compliant, I don't use sulfites anymore, I gas my grist, vessels and piping with nitrogen and employ as many techniques of the professionals I can. That is "fun" for me, to constantly push the envelope and turn out beers in my basement that rival the best in the world.  To each their own. What doesn't sit well with me is folks too stubborn to learn.  You are never too old to get better. Now if you chose to be happy with the methods you (these are all proverbial you's) use that's all fine and dandy, but it doesn't stop the facts that your beer CAN improve. If that wasn't the case modern brewing science would have stopped instead of be currently flourishing. I don't care what methods a person chooses, it's the discrediting that irritates me.


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Once again your presentation is problematic. You have really been the catalyst of every recent problem this forum has had. And NEVER has it been from your information. ALWAYS from you delivery.

Oh yea?!  Sure. You are completely innocent I assume with your condescending nazi terms?  It's ok for you to down talk and discredit?  Interesting. 


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I have never discredited your brewing techniques, Bryan. But I am discrediting your presentation.... and it's always been bad. That said, there have been some who have tried the method and have found it didn't work for them. I haven't tried it but. I'm sure your beer is delicious. Your attitude though? It really sucks.

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The Pub / Re: Decided not to ask my brewing question on AHA
« on: June 04, 2017, 04:33:41 PM »
I have become a complete lurker. These days I'm mostly interested in low oxygen techniques, because I have the impression that they improve my beers a lot. Unfortunately for me this is not a safe place to discuss them, so I have to go elsewhere.

That's interesting to me, because from my perspective I feel often I can't post something about my particular brewing techniques without them being critiqued (usually negatively) by  one or two members of the "lodo nazis" ... as it were.

Does it happen sometimes the other way around? Yep. Sure does. No doubt about that. But look at it from another perspective: The AHA forum is a forum dedicated to every level of homebrewing. But when a certain crowd comes in and argues with experienced and even award winning brewers that their brewing methods are subpar based on another method, that starts to get old real quick. And it works to drive new brewers away. And even experienced brewers who want to discuss topics without endless bickering.

There are certain approaches to brewing that certainly make huge improvements to anyone's beer. And those have been the items we have all been trying to steer new brewers toward when they ask questions. But when one or two members of the forum come in and start to derail threads based on methods that, well let's just be honest .... haven't quite worked for everyone ... then it drives everyone away.

Not everyone who wants to attempt to brew beer needs a master's degree in chemistry. And not every little nuance that is insisted upon is going to make award winning beer.

Some of us feel you can still make great beer with a copper wort chiller. ;)

Nazis? As someone who was on the other side of the whole Low Oxygen thing, and who used the term "Lager Nazis" to describe them, I can say from experience: it's a dick move.

Oh give me a break. We talk about people being "style nazis" all the time. The LODO "fanatics" sounds better? YOu guys are convinced that your method is the only method that makes great beer. And that is great! But the way some of you try to act as if it is the ONLY way to make great beer makes it over the top. And is the reason we have people afraid to post here. And, obviously, it goes both ways as far as arguments goes. ((In other words, people arguing with you about your methods.)

Now, calling people "dicks" approaches "banable" offenses.

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The Pub / Re: Decided not to ask my brewing question on AHA
« on: June 04, 2017, 04:21:51 PM »
Don't play the victim here Denny. Since the DAY we brought information about oxidation forward you have been hellbent on trying to disprove modern brewing science. I have people everywhere I know exactly what goes on behind the scenes.  Your bias shows on nearly every post.  I am still confused how you were so against it but now endorse a product used solely to combat it. Has your stance now changed or!?

I would also still love to hear the reasoning why so many low oxygen presentations didn't get accepted for HBC here, even though you claim there is no shenanigans, things don't add up.

I have said countless times that I brewed nearly 1000 batches of beer using EVERY method under the sun. I made good beer, hell, great beer by homebrewing standards and I have boxes of medals to prove it. I would have to go back and count but I am at probably 300+ batches trying these new methods and feel my beers have gone to another level. But some how my "experience" doesn't seem to hold a candle to others who have brewed 1/3rd of the batches. I have walked on both sides of the line, that somehow seems to be easily "forgotten". You WILL make better beers with the less amount of oxygen you include in your brewing practices. It's LITERALLY a proven fact.

Everyone is so sensitive. There will always be a better way and someone smarter than you. The faster you realizes that the easier life is.

There will always be ways to make better beer, now whether you chose to do them is up to the person. I have literally been laughed out of the room, because the methods I used and in the eyes of real brewmasters it's laughable. I don't disagree I a dude who tinkers in my basement, I use hacks and workarounds and do to the best of my ability. Maybe it's the character of the person but that only drives me personally to get better. 

More recently I am fully RHG compliant, I don't use sulfites anymore, I gas my grist, vessels and piping with nitrogen and employ as many techniques of the professionals I can. That is "fun" for me, to constantly push the envelope and turn out beers in my basement that rival the best in the world.  To each their own. What doesn't sit well with me is folks too stubborn to learn.  You are never too old to get better. Now if you chose to be happy with the methods you (these are all proverbial you's) use that's all fine and dandy, but it doesn't stop the facts that your beer CAN improve. If that wasn't the case modern brewing science would have stopped instead of be currently flourishing. I don't care what methods a person chooses, it's the discrediting that irritates me.


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Once again your presentation is problematic. You have really been the catalyst of every recent problem this forum has had. And NEVER has it been from your information. ALWAYS from you delivery.

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The Pub / Re: Decided not to ask my brewing question on AHA
« on: June 04, 2017, 04:18:13 PM »
I have become a complete lurker. These days I'm mostly interested in low oxygen techniques, because I have the impression that they improve my beers a lot. Unfortunately for me this is not a safe place to discuss them, so I have to go elsewhere.

That's interesting to me, because from my perspective I feel often I can't post something about my particular brewing techniques without them being critiqued (usually negatively) by  one or two members of the "lodo nazis" ... as it were.

Does it happen sometimes the other way around? Yep. Sure does. No doubt about that. But look at it from another perspective: The AHA forum is a forum dedicated to every level of homebrewing. But when a certain crowd comes in and argues with experienced and even award winning brewers that their brewing methods are subpar based on another method, that starts to get old real quick. And it works to drive new brewers away. And even experienced brewers who want to discuss topics without endless bickering.

There are certain approaches to brewing that certainly make huge improvements to anyone's beer. And those have been the items we have all been trying to steer new brewers toward when they ask questions. But when one or two members of the forum come in and start to derail threads based on methods that, well let's just be honest .... haven't quite worked for everyone ... then it drives everyone away.

Not everyone who wants to attempt to brew beer needs a master's degree in chemistry. And not every little nuance that is insisted upon is going to make award winning beer.

Some of us feel you can still make great beer with a copper wort chiller. ;)

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