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Going Pro / "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 22, 2012, 07:38:52 AM »
I was only trying to point out that water is cheaper.;) seriously, I am surprised that you offended by my comment. Wasn't my intention. And I'm not complaining about my business. I'm trying to give people who want to go pro an insight. I believe I have stated several times that "I love it".

Also, I think you missed the point where I said breweries and brewers were often struggling to survive. They charge what they charge to simply stay in business. They can't give it all away (though they certainly give lots of it away). But enough, I will not comment in this thread anymore.

The Pub / Met John Palmer This Morning
« on: April 22, 2012, 07:30:31 AM »
He's seems like a nice guy, and his book is tops for sure. Not a bad gig to have either. Maybe I'll get a chance to meet him at NHC this summer.

Going Pro / "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 22, 2012, 07:23:58 AM »
Uhm, ok, I guess. I thought you were complaining about the price of pints. Not sure how I am misreading that. And I am confused on how I took it "personal" with you or any one else.

But, to stay on topic, as I mentioned above, the cost of ingredients is the driving factor in the cost of your pint. You brought up bus boys, which has nothing to do with anything. Craft beer is expensive, I wish the ingredients were less expensive because then the beer would much less expensive to make. As homebrewers surely everyone here has seen the cost of ingredients skyrocket over the last several years. Don't be shocked to see the cost of your pints go up too.

Going Pro / "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 22, 2012, 06:27:16 AM »
Not asking to save the world, bud. You should probably just drink water and quit griping. :)

Going Pro / "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 22, 2012, 05:46:26 AM »
Prices are dependent on cost of ingredients and energy and materials, especially kegs. It seems like no matter how many you own you always need more, and any time you need kegs you can expect to drop at least 5k.

The more likely scenario is that the mid to large size craft brewers will lower their prices enough to make if difficult for small regional breweries to compete.

If you want to support you small, local brewery (who, incidentally is Helping to support the local economy by doing business locally) then don't scoff at paying more for a pint. If you want there to be a local brewery you are going to have to help support it. Remember, the guy making your beer is probably making less than you are.

I am here:

Extract/Partial Mash Brewing / Cherries in the snow
« on: April 21, 2012, 04:19:39 PM »
Oh yeah, good point. Those are generally sweet cherries. Would be nice if they would freeze sour cherries though.

The Pub / Met John Palmer This Morning
« on: April 21, 2012, 03:05:00 PM »
Cool! Did you walk up to him and say "I thought you'd be taller."?

Going Pro / Re: "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 21, 2012, 01:13:24 PM »
True dat.

Going Pro / Re: "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 21, 2012, 12:39:18 PM »
+1 to Narvin.

As far as age goes, I don't find it as much of an issue as some might. I'm not sure how good a brewer I would have been at 24 but that doesn't hold true for everyone. I was making pretty good beer after 2 years of brewing. I was making (IMO) excellent beer at about 8-10 years in. In my case any success I have is all situational. I took a buy out from my employer of 15 years. My wife works a good job so that I can do this. I have three partners that helped me fund it, along with a bank loan. This would not happen for me if any one of those puzzles had not fallen into play.

As far as Fritz goes, good post Wiley. But I think you underestimate the power of marketing. Clever marketing can turn around a bad brewery assuming the beer improves. I'm not saying it's easy. BUt it's easier than starting up a brewery from scratch. In Fritz's case he not only had a brand, but he had a story - the Cali common. That's a gold gem right there, worth $250K at least.

Also, a lot of problems go away when you throw money at it. If I had $100K sitting around I could olve a lot of my problems. OTOH that would just open up more problems and then I'd need $200K to trow at them.  ;)

Ingredients / white wheat malt
« on: April 21, 2012, 06:12:15 AM »
Some wheat is also a different size and could cause issues during grinding depending on your mill gap. I know the German wheat is always relatively close to the size of barley malt, American is sometimes smaller.

Going Pro / "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 20, 2012, 09:19:11 PM »
I don't doubt you are right. I just hope I make it that far. It's a tough rd. but like you said, so is any small business.

Going Pro / "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 20, 2012, 09:08:57 PM »
Sorry If that shocked you, joe jr. Life is shocking. So is opening a brewery.

How many employees do you have working for you?

I have three partners. I could not do all this on my own, though I do the majority - and all the brewing. Likewise I could not afford to fund an operation like this on my own. I am hoping to be able to hire some help on this year.

Going Pro / "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 20, 2012, 08:53:11 PM »
Sorry If that shocked you, joe jr. Life is shocking. So is opening a brewery.

Going Pro / "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 20, 2012, 08:22:50 PM »
Ok - its like you live in a rented trailer and work part time at the convenience store and want to have kids. That's the way I see many people who want to open breweries. You don't have a plan to get the 250 grand you need and (maybe) don't make very good beer to boot.

I'm not saying that this is necessarily the case on every instance. But it is the warning in case that's what you have in your cards. You better have your s*** together - because those of us who have done it know what it takes to get it done. Your ten gallon home brew set up will not cut it. Your $20 grand from your 401k won't cut it either. Every damn time you turn around you need to sink 5 grand, or maybe more. That's the way it is. Thats what happens every month - you need a pallet of grain, you need kegs, you need yeast or your cold room expanded or you glycol system breaks down because you were struck by lightening, or, or, or, or......

It's fricking EXPENSIVE as hell. And there is no end and no cheap way to do it. And it always wants more money, because you can't make the money you need without the equipment and as soon as you have the equipment you need more kegs and more grain and more money ... On and on and on.

Dont get me wrong, I love it. All I am saying is no matter how hard you think it is .... It's way harder. Do it! Just do it knowing what you are getting I to. Do it knowing the facts of what you can use to make it work.

Going Pro / "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 20, 2012, 07:45:11 PM »
Anchor steam??? Common giys. We are talking about building a brewery ground up not starting with an established brand and family fortune. Doesn't work here. Rich guys are racing yachts not home brewing.

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