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General Homebrew Discussion / The Mad Fermentationist's Top 10 Myths
« on: February 10, 2013, 08:15:44 AM »
Dinner doesn't take me 8!hours of constant monitoring followed by several week of babysitting. Items at the grocery store are also competitively priced and not marked up at a hobby shop scale.

In fact, I can make dinner at home in less than the amount of time it takes me to drive to a restaurant , get seated, and drive home!

Sorry, don't buy it.  Don't you have delivery down in the bayou?  That takes no time at all.

8 hours is for 10 gallons, not one dinner.  Beer ingredients don't go bad in a week, either.  On the other hand, going to the grocery store or farmers market bi-weekly to keep fresh food around takes time.  And the prices for bulk grain and hops are comparable to Costco food prices.

 I don't even have cell phone service or cable let alone delivery. Dont live in the bayou, live on the Cumberland plateau.

I sure hope you are coming to NHC this year. We need to arm wrestle!

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General Homebrew Discussion / The Mad Fermentationist's Top 10 Myths
« on: February 09, 2013, 04:44:03 PM »
Too bad guys. I already called FTW!

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General Homebrew Discussion / The Mad Fermentationist's Top 10 Myths
« on: February 09, 2013, 05:24:33 AM »
How much would you sell it for then, and feel comfortable parting with it? That's what it really boils down to. FTW!

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The Pub / Why does Budweiser just not get it?
« on: February 08, 2013, 09:34:27 PM »
If anyone still believes "they" still don't get it, read last weekends rather lengthy article from the Washington Post about AB InBev and their attempt at buying out the last 50% of Grupo Modelo. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/beer-merger-would-worsen-existing-duopoly-by-ab-inbev-sabmiller/2013/02/01/efa78ce8-6b1c-11e2-af53-7b2b2a7510a8_story_4.html Interesting dance between the two bigs (ABI and SABMiller) who really do seem to get it. With craft beer at only 6% of US beersales, the efforts of these giants will place an even stronger hold over the distribution network. Craft beer will have a very difficult time expanding in the future. Yes, they do get it. Unfortunately...

Budweiser does not get it. They get marketing, don't get me wrong. But they don't get brewing. Their brewers get brewing, for sure. But the beers they produce are dictated by marketers in suits who don't understand beer.

Smaller breweries like Sam Adams and Sierra Nevada will continue to chip away at the beer scene in America, while even smaller craft brewers will continue to grow and BMC will continue to see their share of the market slip because those in charge are more interested in marketing than they are in brewing.

If anyone thinks that the trend will reverse and people will go back to bud lite and mich ultra, you should think again. The trend is going to continue to slide toward craft beer for the foreseeable future.

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General Homebrew Discussion / The Mad Fermentationist's Top 10 Myths
« on: February 08, 2013, 08:17:05 PM »
Dinner doesn't take me 8!hours of constant monitoring followed by several week of babysitting. Items at the grocery store are also competitively priced and not marked up at a hobby shop scale.

In fact, I can make dinner at home in less than the amount of time it takes me to drive to a restaurant , get seated, and drive home!

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General Homebrew Discussion / The Mad Fermentationist's Top 10 Myths
« on: February 08, 2013, 04:48:34 PM »
Still never going to get me to look at the amount of time you put into a project as a commodity. My time is precious to me, especially my free time. In that case, my homebrew has been some of the most expensive beer in the world! Y'all with cheaper time need to come over and wash my car and pressure wash my house this weekend.

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General Homebrew Discussion / The Mad Fermentationist's Top 10 Myths
« on: February 08, 2013, 11:49:49 AM »
I just love to argue about stupid stuff. Especially when I'm right.:P

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General Homebrew Discussion / The Mad Fermentationist's Top 10 Myths
« on: February 08, 2013, 08:21:01 AM »
But I feel like if you aren't counting your time you aren't really being honest to yourself. Saturday and Sunday mornings are hard to put a monetary value on.

I woudn't factor my time into the cost of homebrewing. Sure I may be able to make money during the time I am homebrewing, but I LIKE to homebrew. I certainly wouldn't pay someone to come over to my house and set up the brew system, brew a batch and the get it in the fermenters for me. Come check on it daily and keg it when it is ready. Those are things I enjoy doing on Saturday and Sunday mornings.

But, it's the time you put into it that makes it so special! (OK, we are back here again. I quit. Y'all know and any major economist worth his salt would agree with me. ;)

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General Homebrew Discussion / How to pour a Black & Tan
« on: February 08, 2013, 05:39:55 AM »
I moved this to "General", probably not safe to assume that only All Grain brewers know how to pour Blacn and Tans. ;)

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General Homebrew Discussion / The Mad Fermentationist's Top 10 Myths
« on: February 07, 2013, 06:21:45 PM »
But I feel like if you aren't counting your time you aren't really being honest to yourself. Saturday and Sunday mornings are hard to put a monetary value on.

Especially if you're already brewing five days a week. Brewing again at home starts to feel like a chore after a while. I know, there are people who would kill to have that problem... ::)

I don't brew at the house anymore but I do have my homebrew setup down at the brewery and I brew a couple of batches for me on it two or three times a year.

Though lately I have been doing my "test batches" 7 bbl batches on the brew rig. Takes a little less time, actually!

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General Homebrew Discussion / The Mad Fermentationist's Top 10 Myths
« on: February 07, 2013, 03:09:27 PM »
But that's just it. If you think you are starting a hobby to save money on beer you are wrong. People who spend hours  on brewday and weeks cellaring and hours packaging do it for the love. It's not really saving money.

Homebrewing to me is very special and I to me that beer doesn't have  aprice tag. That is something I made with my skill and you are lucky if I share it with you. But I don't look at it as cheap by any means. Not anymore than I look at the hand knitted mittens, scarf and toboggan than my wife made me as "cheap".

I don't think anyone ever said "cheap." 

If your only goal is to save money on beer, probably best to just drink PBR.

I would probably never buy the quantity of Belgian beer, old ales, imperial stouts, etc. that I brew.  At the price they cost, I certainly wouldn't give them away as freely as I do my homebrew.

Semantics aside, cheaper than craft beer is all I meant. Point being that you aren't really saving money IF you count for your time. If you don
t count your time then it maybe cheaper assuming you aren't a brewer gadget head who is spending 100's of bucks every year on a new toy.

But I feel like if you aren't counting your time you aren't really being honest to yourself. Saturday and Sunday mornings are hard to put a monetary value on.

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General Homebrew Discussion / The Mad Fermentationist's Top 10 Myths
« on: February 07, 2013, 12:58:36 PM »
Except: You aren't factoring in your labor let alone your equipment. Homebrew is some of the most expensive beer in the world.

I know we've argued this in other threads, but on a per beer basis I really do think it's economical.  I could go buy 5 gallons of Chimay (approx 25 750ml bottles) at $8 each (plus tax).  Or I could brew 5 gallons at +/- $50.  I'll take the homebrew, as to me that's a bargain.

You have to do something with your time.  You can't bank it up.  So rather than the cost of your time this should be opportunity cost.  If you have something better to do, go do it.  If not, why not spend it brewing.  It also takes time to go to the store and buy beer.  No one factors that into the cost of bottled beer.

Equipment can be as expensive or cheap as you desire.  From an overall hobby perspective, it can make the hobby expensive.  On a per beer basis, I don't think equipment cost is applicable.  The money is already spent, so it doesn't impact what it costs you to make that next beer.  If you insist on including it, you should amortize it over every beer you've ever made which makes the per beer cost approach zero, eventually.  Obviously, if you don't yet have the equipment that changes the analysis.

I can agree that I would never recommend that someone get into the hobby to save money on beer.  But since I already have everything I need to make beer, the marginal cost of the next beer is pretty low.  Which makes it economical for me.

But that's just it. If you think you are starting a hobby to save money on beer you are wrong. People who spend hours  on brewday and weeks cellaring and hours packaging do it for the love. It's not really saving money.

Homebrewing to me is very special and I to me that beer doesn't have  aprice tag. That is something I made with my skill and you are lucky if I share it with you. But I don't look at it as cheap by any means. Not anymore than I look at the hand knitted mittens, scarf and toboggan than my wife made me as "cheap".

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General Homebrew Discussion / The Mad Fermentationist's Top 10 Myths
« on: February 07, 2013, 11:00:00 AM »
I keg and bottle, too. Always have. Doesn't make the bottling any faster.

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General Homebrew Discussion / The Mad Fermentationist's Top 10 Myths
« on: February 07, 2013, 10:24:19 AM »
i understand. but i don't consider how expensive my time is when i am out for a bike ride, growing tomatoes etc.  infact, i have installed my own hardwood floors, resided my house, built my own shed, when i could have probably been working and made more than what i would have paid someone to do it for me, but i need a change of scenery from the normal work i do, the labor is theraputic for me, and there is always the "ha, i can do that" factor.

I know what you are saying but if you have a friend come over and drink 12 big pints of your czech lager that you have been hanging onto for 3 months and he blows the keg or you have a leak in your poppet and you leak an entire keg of Belgian Quad into your keggerator what is it that hurts the most? Is it the cost of ingredients or the time you put into it?

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