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Extract/Partial Mash Brewing / Re: Cherries in the snow
« on: April 18, 2012, 09:12:39 AM »
Frozen cherries work great. Better than canned IME.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: The Secondary Topic Revisited
« on: April 18, 2012, 08:33:00 AM »
Acetobacter can't get in the beer if it isn't in the air to begin with. Even if it is in the air, I don't see how the risk would be greater in a bucket than it is in any other unsealed vessel. Proper sanitary procedures can minimize the risk.

By the way, you are underlining my point right there. First off your are dumping beer into a bucket that is full of air and undoubtably trace amounts of bacteria. Then you "seal" the bucket but it isn't really sealed very well, it is o2 permeable (and don;t get me started on fruit flies and buckets because the lid doesn;t stop them). In a carboy at least the remaining co2 in solution fills the headspace and air can't get in, assuming you have an air lock.

I do agree that environment can help minimize the risk. I live in the middle of a damp bug filled forest so my chances of infection are certainly higher than many others.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: The Secondary Topic Revisited
« on: April 18, 2012, 08:19:39 AM »
I'm still not sure I agree 100% that it can't get in there over time only due to my experience. Granted, I aged most of my beers in a pretty damp basement.  I don;t understand why the case would be that buckets would get it, or beers that lost airlock water, but not those in carboys or secondary carboys with sealed airlocks (besides the obvious fact that it lost co2 blanket). And in the case of buckets I'm talking about those that sat around for weeks after fermentation was over. But even if it can't get in there "per se" I'm pretty sure none of us are following sterile brewing practices, even you, sean.  ;)

co2 is the most important part of keeping a beer fresh, any contact with air lessens the amount of time that beer will retain it's freshness, and acetobacter seems to be one of the easiest infection for people to get and it can't grow in a co2 environment. But even if you brew in a sterile environment and have no worries with infection a bucket that sits around for a month after fermentation is finished will be much more likely to suffer the effects of oxidation that one in a sealed carboy or better yet stainless corny.

I just think it's a bad idea all together. Can't help myself from disapproving.  ;)

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: The Secondary Topic Revisited
« on: April 17, 2012, 08:46:09 PM »
My experience is once the co2 is gone acetobacter gets in wether it's from a dry airlock or a bucket that has sat too long.

FWIW, that hasn't been my experience. I try to lager in kegs, but when I need to I'll use a bucket, and I've never had any problems with contamination or oxidation. I generally lager for a month or so.

Weird. The only times i have ever had an acetobacter infections is in buckets where I let the beer sit in the primary too long. or in carboys where I was secondarying and forgot about it and the airlock went dry. I personally think secondarying in buckets is a terrible idea and I would completely advise against it. Totally surprised to see anyone with any brewing experience to have contrary views.

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I havne't done protein rests on these, not sure it'd be productive and I want cloudy beer anyway.

A protein rest, or more specifically in this case, a protease rest, isn't necesssarilly for beer clarity but also to break down beta-glucans that make sparging/lautering less gummy and less likely to clog.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Tell me about Mash Hopping
« on: April 17, 2012, 05:06:15 PM »
There's been a hop shortage ever since that year. Not as bad, but still a shortage.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Tell me about Mash Hopping
« on: April 17, 2012, 05:03:34 PM »
There's been a hop shortage ever since that year. Not as bad, but still a shortage.

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The Pub / Re: Running - What have I gotten myself into?
« on: April 17, 2012, 04:51:52 PM »
Hey, I did my program run this afternoon when I was supposed to be working.  It was on the treadmill so it may not count ;)

The Mrs and my two oldest (A and E) are headed out to running group right now (she's been doing this for a while).  A and E just got back from swimming practice and they want to go running.  If only I had the energy of a 12 year old.

Treadmill counts! My wife loves her treadmill and I can't keep up with her on the road.

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The Pub / Re: Running - What have I gotten myself into?
« on: April 17, 2012, 03:40:36 PM »
Dude, it's been 24 hours since you posted this think. Get up off your ass and hit the pavement.  ;)

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General Homebrew Discussion / Tell me about Mash Hopping
« on: April 17, 2012, 12:46:26 PM »
I think it's a big waste of hops for what you get out of it.

I agree. Maybe back when hops were cheap as dirt it was worth it on some level but not now.

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General Homebrew Discussion / The Secondary Topic Revisited
« on: April 17, 2012, 12:38:44 PM »
If you transfer when theres still penty of CO2 in the liquid, I think it would kind of self-purge.  I don't think a bucket is going to let in acetobacter, thats not been my experience.  But some oxidation would eventually be possible.

My experience is once the co2 is gone acetobacter gets in wether it's from a dry airlock or a bucket that has sat too long.  A bucket is a bad idea as a secondary from just about any standpoint unless you are starting up a second fermentation with fruit or something.

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General Homebrew Discussion / The Secondary Topic Revisited
« on: April 17, 2012, 10:51:25 AM »
I transfer my lagers to a secondary bucket after primary fermentation is complete, usually a couple weeks after pitching. I know some people use kegs to lager...but I don't have enough kegs, or at least the discipline to keep a keg as a lagering keg for that long  ???

I'm surprised you don't have problems with acetobacter or oxidation by secondarying in a bucket. I certainly wouldn't advise anyone to secondary on anything that it not air tight. And really you need to purge the container with co2 as well or at the very least the headspace.

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The Pub / Running - What have I gotten myself into?
« on: April 17, 2012, 10:45:51 AM »
If you are completing a 5K in 30 minutes that's a 10 min per mile clip, not speedy for sure, but not necessarily beginner either . Seems to be about the average race clip for most runners though.

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Going Pro / Re: Location and Laws
« on: April 17, 2012, 09:15:40 AM »
I don't think you need a lawyer but it wouldn't hurt. I'm not sure about your state but I needed an ABC license and it costs a thousand bucks or so. You have to register with the TTB. In our case we had to have our brewery laid out with actual photos of equipment in place to get the ABC license.

we also needed to be approved by a city council vote. Lots of other local regulation we had to jump through, we hired an architect to design the brewery and tell us what we were going to need to do rather than have to go back and forth with city. IIt worked, we got approved first pass.

I honestly can;t remember much else.  Contact your state version of ABC and see what they say, that would be my first step.

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The Pub / Running - What have I gotten myself into?
« on: April 17, 2012, 07:16:52 AM »
Absolutely you can sustain injury from running. I certainly never meant to imply that. I have had back issues that crept up every so often during my longest stint of running - all muscular and totally treatable. If you think you will start any physical activity and not suffer some injury from it you are fooling yourself. I've also had shoulder problems in the past from weight training as well as back problems. But there's a huge difference between chronic injuries and temporary ones. And certainly any form of physical endurance exercise can cause a chronic injury particularly if not done properly. But to say "black and white" that running is bad for your joints is pure nonsense. I'm pretty darn happy with my physical state at 42 and I owe a good bit of that to years of running and weight training. I'm not going to hear that someone who is thirty pounds overweight is in better shape for living into their sixties and seventies and beyond because they've sat their asses in front of the TV every night.

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