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As far as Yingalingaling as a decent beer goes, I too grew up on the stuff. In fact I remember when they released it. I grew up in PA.

Hmmm, since the lager was reintroduced in 1987 and Yuengling is the country's oldest brewery, does that imply that you're older than, heaven forbid, Denny?

In 1987 I was 17. No I am not older than papa denny and yes, I did split a case with a few friends when it first came out. Don't remember it being reintroduced, but that may have been the case. Like I said, I was 17.  ;)

Commercial Beer Reviews / Re: De Struise Pannepot 2010
« on: August 19, 2011, 04:50:28 PM »
It's been several years since I last had this but it must have been excellent because I still have the bottle! I'll try and find it and post the pic soon.

it's really one of the only lagers i like.  a very good friend of mine is from philly.  his brother sends cases out a couple times a year.  it makes for a nice nfl playoff season.  

Dude - you really need to try more lagers. A doppelbock is a lager. Go out and try Celabrator Doppelbock and then get back to us. Not all lagers are Bud, Miller and Coors. To say Yuengling Lager is the only lager you like speaks of much new adventures in your future.

As far as Yingalingaling as a decent beer goes, I too grew up on the stuff. In fact I remember when they released it. I grew up in PA. This beer used to have too much diacetyl (probably pitched too warm  ;) ) but has been cleaned up over the years. Not a bad beer, can be thirst quenching and goes great with late night post whisky drinking pop corn or pizza binge.  8)

Ingredients / Re: LHBS oak chip alternatives
« on: August 19, 2011, 02:34:48 PM »
I wouold personally look at it as a fortuitous sign from the beer gods. Oak flavor is just going to make a mess of a IIPA. A IIPA should be all about the hops. My .02.  ;)

Don't tell that to the brewers at Cigar City.  They've always got their IPA on different kinds of oak.  Right now at the tasting room it is Jai Alai on White Oak.  Mmmmmm good.

Gonna have to take my comments about Jai Alia back. the first one I had several months ago tasted a bit too sweet. Had some on draft last night and it was delicious. A bit lighter in color. Picked up a sixer on the way hom and while it is really cloudy and slightly harsh, it has a very nice malt back bone (not over the top) and very nice, substantial hop profile. Good stuff.

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: California Ale screw up
« on: August 19, 2011, 09:40:54 AM »
Hard to say since I have never used the yeast but I can't say I have ever equalled size of krausen to something to be worried about.

All ranting aside, anybody have experience switching these two out?  I've read that WLP051 can get really fruity (orange) if its over pitched or goes above 70F, so temp control is gong to be key here.  Any other input?

FWIW temp control is key in all beers.

thanks to this thread i finally purchase a flask and DME for making a starter for my next batch. Im shure it will make it better.
Two batches ago i made a Pale Ale and use US5 and went slowly, im going the same recipe but with starter


Make sure you understand that you make a starter with liquid yeast only, not with dry yeast. When the dry yeast is processed the manufacturers strengthen the cell walls before undergoing the drying process. This is preserved in tact after the drying process. Because a single pack of dry yeast has many more viable cells than a pack or vial of liquid yeast you most likely would pitch the dry yeast into a starter size that was much too small, causing the yeast to deplete the nutrients in their cell walls leaving you with a yeast pitch that is actually weaker than had you simply pitched the yeast dry or rehydrated iwth warm water.

Liquid yeast has the opposite problem. The glycogen/sterols in the cell walls are in tact when they yeast is packaged but they immediately start using those reserves while they sit and become dormant. So making an appropriate size starter (preferably with aeration and nutrients) will allow the yeast in the starter to build those reserves back up.

Check the pitching calc at to get an idea how many packs of dry yeast you need for every batch, or how big a starter you need for liquid yeast.

Having both rehydrated and pitched directly onto the wort side by side many times I can't really say I have noticed a difference either way.

Do any triangle tests? ;)

[Bones' voice mode on]Dammit Tom, I'm a Brewer not a Scientist!!![/Bones' voice mode off]

Classifieds / Re: Wanted: Wet Hops
« on: August 18, 2011, 12:02:25 PM »
No way that would work. It would probably just make the beer bitter.

Going Pro / Re: Brewery Financing for someone with no wealth/collateral
« on: August 18, 2011, 11:59:27 AM »
Facebook sounds like something a 13 year old girl keeps her makeup in. I just can't get around that. I'm rooting for google plus. We also have not had to use facebook yet. There is nothing it would do for us now. We do piggyback on the facebook pages of a few pubs. but the fact that we don't have one has created an image I actually want.

Classifieds / Re: Wanted: Wet Hops
« on: August 18, 2011, 11:31:10 AM »
Take some hops.  Dunk them in water.  Wet hops. ;)

Damn, this is a good idea and got me to thinking - what if you added the dry hops to wort or beer?

Going Pro / Re: Brewery Financing for someone with no wealth/collateral
« on: August 18, 2011, 10:56:09 AM »
Tim - I understand the concept. Since it's free, you don't lose anything but your time, so there's no reason not to do it, but how do you turn worldwide interest into cash in your pocket? Your long-lost out-of-town friends won't just send you money for nothing, will they? They still have to go to you establishment to buy your product.

Good point. A small local brewer doesn't benefit monetarily from a fan across the country that has never had his beer.

We actually decided NOT to have a facebook page as a "prestige and mystery" branding. It's worked well. I've had a lot of people show up at the brewery simply because they could not find out enough about us. Also, I hate facebook. So that worked well for me.  ;)

Classifieds / Re: Wanted: Wet Hops
« on: August 18, 2011, 10:39:17 AM » has wet hops available that they pick and ship the same day.

Yeah but you had to have the order in last Monday

Damn, that sucks. Guess I shoulda read more closely! :(

Going Pro / Re: Brewery Financing for someone with no wealth/collateral
« on: August 18, 2011, 10:28:46 AM »
Certainly can work well. But be careful you don't spend all your 30K on swag or you won;t have anything left for a brewery.  ;)

Going Pro / Re: Brewery Financing for someone with no wealth/collateral
« on: August 18, 2011, 10:18:57 AM »
May be I am a fool but that is how I see it.

Nope, I don't think you are a fool at all. There are a few "breweries" that have been popping up that have T-Shirts, Glasses, Coasters, Stickers, even tap handles - but no beer! Seriously! Talk about putting your cart before the horse.

This is actually a good marketing idea.  By branding items and getting the word out well in advance, people are anticipating your product in the market place before it arrives.  This is why most companies pre-annouce products.  The inability to get a well-branded product actually increases demand.  It a strategy heavily employed by Apple Computer.  They announce something, it goes on sale, it sells out and you can't get one for weeks.  People line up outside the stores just to get one on opening days.  Regardless whether you like Apple's products or not, they get a massive amount of free publicity because of the demand they create prior to and during product launch.

Well, it depends on your branding mode (see link I posted before) - it can work, assuming you know what you are doing. That said, we started with a "mystery" approach that built a LOT of suspense in the amrket place and didn't come out even with T-shirts until about 9 months into the business - and sold EVERY drop we made (no returns - knock on wood).

OTOH you better have VERY good beer if you take the above approach, because if you launch and your beers suck, your dead. And I also know of some breweries who are opening up where the idea to open a brewery started first, then they decided to learn how to brew. That is a very, very bad idea.

If you are going to open a brewery you better damn well sure you know how to brew beer. That is ultimately the very most important part. Flash, pomp and swag can coast you a couple years if your lucky. But without the beer you become a joke.

**BTW: Just wanna say - great discussion, folks!****

Going Pro / Re: Brewery Financing for someone with no wealth/collateral
« on: August 18, 2011, 10:05:15 AM »
Brew Monger - I guess you didn't see where I said I am an example of brewing on a 1bbl system. I'm still running a pro brewery on a system that is incredibly too small! I certainly know you can make it work, as long as you don't mind making it work without paying yourself anything. This is the only warning I have been trying to make through the entire thread - understand what you are getting into. You are talking about years of hard work, very little (if any) pay, and lots of over head capital and very litttle profit coming in. the only way to grow at a 1bbbl capacity is to either dig deeper into your savings, get a loan or find investors. because you will always only be making ends meet.

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