« on: January 08, 2017, 02:56:29 PM »
That nothing will happen if you sell/barter homebrew to adults. Just no evidence to the contrary . You asked for an unpopular opinion......
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I always find it funny when people mention the "value of their time" or even equipment costs. Maybe I have gone a bit nuts but I think of brewing beer the same way I look at cooking meals. If you cook dinner at home do you factor in your time shopping, preparing, and cleaning up afterwards? Probably not. If you did you would be eating out all the time.I think many people quit all kinds of things that are hard. Lots of people receive home brew equipment as a gift, give a try a few times and move on.I think one reason people quit is home brewing is not easy to get right on the first few batches. Especially if you are used to good quality craft beer. Your first few batches will not compare.Maybe, but who knocks pizza dough or bread out the park first time? Maybe risk/reward is high due to the amount of time.
I do brew to save money. Beer is stupid expensive right now. $6+ bombers, $10+ six packs, $7+ pints. If I factored the time at minimum wage, I'd still be saving on a 10 gallon batch. I think it is unfair to factor time when it is also my hobby. If i wasn't brewing, I'd be out spending or watching tv.
I agree home brewing is cheaper as long as you don't count the value of your time and probably you need to exclude equipment cost. The way I see it equipment and time are costs associated with my hobby. Ingredients, fuel, CO2 are costs associated with the beer.
Absolutely you do need good recipes or you could just borrow some very good internet recipes. It can be done and yes you can make money. I'm proof of that for the last 2 of 3 years any way.That's awesome that you can make it work. I am curious how many small breweries make it after 10-15 years. If it is like any other small business chances are they won't be around or that it will be under different ownership.
It all depends on how you approach it. Opening a brewery is way to much for one person to do alone. You have to realistic about it. New stuff and labor cost a lot of money and unless you have that million, you have to borrow it and pay it back. So comprise is the rule, (for me anyway), everyone likes the nice new brew house and all that is needed to make it go, who doesn't. I didn't have that million, but I did have craigslist and the benefit of a mentor who took the same plunge a couple years earlier to lean on. (Thanks Leos!)
That said my equipment looks like huge homebrew equipment made from dairy equipment and plastic fermenters. I have had to build a few things like a keg washer, bottler and labeler. There is a lot of work involved, a big thank you to the forklift inventor. I was fortunate to have had a job in manufacturing so I had a very good idea on the how boring this work can be and is at times. A brewing education would be a plus. Just like any occupation you have to really be into it, to survive and thrive in it.
1) Have any of you guys ever caught someone entering a commercial beer into a Home Brew competition?
2) How do you think some of the commercial beers (say Fuller's ESB, Pliny the Elder, Young's Chocolate Stout...) would fare in a large competition?
I think it is wrong to say Duvel Moortgat bought FW. I think Duvel invested in FW to allow expansion.Good point! If that is the case then I would be a little less worried. However I still wonder why FW "needs" to keep expanding. Maybe this is a sign of the times since I am convinced we are going to be having a "craft beer war" soon. As an example I can walk into any supermarket here in CA and find IPA's by Stone, FW, Lagunitas, New Belgium, and Sierra Nevada. All great beers. You know which one I pick every time....the cheapest one!! I know my friends who drink craft beer feel the same....the craft beer they drink is the beer that is on sale!
This article says they combined US operations but says both sides would not call it a merger or acquisition.
I think FW gets an in flow of cash to expand their brewing operations and a new or improved distribution channel and sales force. It's not clear the FW founders are receiving any cash themselves. It seems more likely the new monies are going into the business.
Getting bigger does tend to make a brewery less local focused. I also wonder if bigger breweries can stay nimble. Overtime, can they still lead with new an innovative beers or do they migrate to business model that maintains old popular brands and copies innovative beers but doesn't really innovate themselves?
Also, I know of multiple "generation X" and "millennial" homebrewers...it is more common than you would think
As I said before, the facebook brewing "forums" are much more popular with this age group