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Going Pro / Re: realistically, what does it take?
« on: August 05, 2012, 09:17:36 PM »
I own a 10 bbl brewery ( and what it takes is a lot of time and money. Architecs, lawyers, graphoc designers, blood sweat and tears. And kegs. YUou need a lot of those.

It can certainly be done and it can be done on a budget but to really make anything worthwhile you are going to need to spend over 100K, and reality much mroe than that. The point of opening a brewery is to open a sucessful business. You establish a brand and produce a product that people consume. It's hell of a lot of work, but it is also awesome and has great rewards.

As far as "selling a few kegs", aside from the legality issues and license expense (I think we pay the ABC $1000 per year for the priviledge to sell beer) my only question is .... why? You will not ever be monetarilly compensated on a 10 gallon system and in the end if you are brewing for 6-8 hours to sell a couple kegs you will basically be paying to sell your own beer. Doesn;t make sense to me one bit. If it is just about the gratification of people enjoying your beer you can do that far easier on the homebrew level.

As someone who seriously wanted to go the nano route I am so glad to hear people with some experience give advice like this!  The real reason I wanted to open a brewery is for the personal satisfaction of people enjoying my beer.  You are right it IS far easier to do on the homebrew level and with a lot less headaches.
Obviously I can't sell my beer....but that doesn't mean I don't have a brewery!!  We have a website, FB page, sell t-shirts and stickers, pour at beer festivals and private events, etc....I often wonder how many people think we are a commercial brewery ;D  In fact somebody the other day said it is an "underground brewery" which is cool...though I was quick to point out that we don't sell our beer.  We get everything out of it that a nanobrewery would ( personal satisfaction, name recognition, etc...) but without all or most of the headaches ( fees/permits, licensing/zoning, negative cashflow, expectations). 

USPS does not allow alcohol.

Fedex and UPS will ship licensed establishment's products to states that allow it.

Homebrew? No that is yeast samples. Homemade BBQ sauce/marinaide. Homemade vinegar.  ;)

Gotcha!! But I have always wondered why my friends want to buy my homemade vinegar ??? Must be good??

I know that there are many states that do not allow shipments of alcohol via the mail. I have a family member who owns a winery and he can't ship to some family members in other states. Does anyone know if this applies to homebrew as well?  I believe the laws were set up so that minors could not get their hands on it.  For example Texas does not allow direct shipment of alcohol...if I ship beer to a contest in Texas am I breaking the law? I figure if anyone knows it would be somebody at the AHA.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Why aren't NHC scores published?
« on: June 27, 2012, 07:06:45 AM »
Yes, medals are usually in larger competitions awarded completely independent of the scores. Here's what happened at the NHC Second Round (and at other big comps including the first round) - it's usually referred to as a miniBOS.

The category is split  between judging panels. For instance, I judged 16 Belgian and French Ales in Seattle. There were 3 judging teams of 3 judges a piece. Each team tackled individual entries. (It ended up being about 13 entries per team). Each team determined what the top 3 beers were from their portion of the category.

Those 9 entries were then re-poured (from a fresh bottle) for the 3 head judges of the flight teams. (aka 1 person from each squad). We know the entry number and the style, but not the score given by the previous judges.

We debated the merits of each entry and eventually winnowed it down to our top 3 beers for the flight and their medal order.

So why the score independence? Because as best as we try, different judges grade differently. A 38 from me would be the equivalent of a 42 from another judge. If you just go by score, then entries judged by my crew suffer.

Now in smaller competitions and/or smaller categories if a single team of judges can tackle all the entries together then yes, medals are usually based on score. (Although judges usually have the right to assign whatever order they see fit)

Thanks Drew!!  Now I understand.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Why aren't NHC scores published?
« on: June 26, 2012, 10:34:39 PM »
I'm sorry maybe I don't understand the competition rules ???.  Aren't Gold, Silver, Bronze awarded based on your score?  Or am I missing something....Can a Gold Medal go to a beer that got a 38 and a Silver to a beer that got a 40 based on some mysterious factor?
I am starting to enter some local contests and wonder the same thing. I have been fortunate to win some medals. Obviously I know my score but I wonder what the 1st place winner's score was. Was I close? Does it matter??? Well it is a competition...otherwise why not just submit beers for feedback and call it good and not worry about medals, best of show, etc. 

The Pub / Re: My city is burning...
« on: June 26, 2012, 08:17:15 PM »
As a professional firefighter for the past 23 years, with a big chunk of it fighting wildland fires, I feel for you.  The only thing that is going to stop that fire is a weather change i.e. rain....or at least cooler weather with some humidity. If you know anyone in the evacuation zone tell them to get out and stay out. One of the worst things we have to deal with is civilians getting in the way and causing more harm than good.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Why aren't NHC scores published?
« on: June 26, 2012, 08:06:53 PM »

Maybe because it's nobody's business but the brewer's.

+1 Score is only relevant to the brewer and how that brewer can improve their own recipes. Plain and simple.
I understand but c'mon if you are winning Gold at the NHC you are already brewing outstanding beer!!  Like I said I can be very competitive and I view the NHC as the "Olympics" for homebrewing. The brewers who win are the best of the best. Heck the winning recipes are even published in Zymurgy.  It doesn't seem like asking too much to know what kind of score it took to medal. It gives the rest of us something to shoot for.

General Homebrew Discussion / Why aren't NHC scores published?
« on: June 26, 2012, 12:14:25 PM »
quick question.....Why aren't NHC scores published?  Maybe it is the competitor in me but I would like to know what a beer scored not just that it got 1st place.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Famous Homebrewers
« on: June 23, 2012, 03:09:06 PM »
I know at one point the model Kathy Ireland homebrewed.  I think there is even a picture of her with Papazian.

I was told that it was least in CA.

It seems like your ABC folks up in NorCal are much friendlier than ours here in LA where they've repeatedly told us not a chance in hell even though it's a wristband event with no tickets.

I think we are also operating under the whole "it's better to beg forgiveness, than to ask permission".  It's always easier for the government to say "NO" than yes or maybe....

I was told that it was least in CA.

It seems like your ABC folks up in NorCal are much friendlier than ours here in LA where they've repeatedly told us not a chance in hell even though it's a wristband event with no tickets.

Wow! That a bummer. I am actually just up the 101 from you in Ventura. I also know that the Santa Barbara area clubs pour at the Santa Barbara Beer Festival.  You would "think" that since it is a state law that it would be applied equally in all parts of the state.

I have poured, along with other HBC members, at a commercial beer festival in our town in CA.  I checked with the organizer who checked with the ABC. I was told that it was least in CA. Now I don't know all the specifics but it seems like it met the letter of the law
1. The homebrewers received no form of compensation, it was all done by wristband so there were not even drink tickets to collect.
2.  All proceeds collected went to a 501c non-profit
3.  All pours were in a 3 oz. sample glass
4.  Now this is the big one also involved two beer competitions.  One was a straight out Best Beer contest and the other was a People's Choice contest. It looks like according to CA state law that homebrew may be served in a festival type setting along as it is part of a competition, tasting, or judging.
It does not stipulate who can be a judge or how many judges the competition can have.

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Yeast and Pressure
« on: June 11, 2012, 08:24:45 PM »
Another reason why I don't think it is a big deal is that atmospheric pressure will vary according to altitude.  In San Diego it is essentially 14.7 psi but in Denver it is something like 12.2.  Obviously brewers in San Diego in make great beer even though their yeast have to endure an extra 2.5 psi of pressure compared to Colorado brewers. I think this myth is busted.... ;)

Yeast and Fermentation / Yeast and Pressure
« on: June 11, 2012, 01:54:00 PM »
I was reading an article about Saisons in Zymurgy a while back. Drew talked about how yeast don't like pressure and to NOT put an airlock in but rather just cover the opening with some sanitized foil. Now I do this for starters with the theory that there will be better exchange of gases. Here is where I am much back pressure could putting in an airlock create?  It can't possibly be more than .5 psi. Could it make a difference?

The Pub / Re: song title game
« on: June 06, 2012, 08:19:55 PM »
We Built This City- Jefferson Starship

.....a truly awful, awful song!!

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