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Kegging and Bottling / Re: New Kegs...Used kegs>>>Sales
« on: February 11, 2015, 05:57:54 PM »
Its getting to the point that I am ready to switch over to Sanke kegs.  You can get the 7.75 gallon for around 100 bucks.....  So it will only take two kegs to keg 15 gallons of beer vs. three corny kegs.  I could sell my three used corny kegs and buy two new sanke kegs! Very tempting....

Equipment and Software / Re: The ethics of keggles
« on: February 07, 2015, 06:39:13 PM »
Regardless, not returning a keg is a civil issue, not a crime.

Actually, not returning a keg is considered to be crime (misappropriation) in many states.  The states control deposits and the laws pertaining to kegs.  It's part of the three-tier distribution system that was put into place after the repeal of Prohibition.

Here's Missouri's keg deposit law:

"3. Each retail licensee shall require each keg purchaser to present valid identification and a minimum deposit of fifty dollars per keg at the time of purchase. On the identification form provided by the division of alcohol and tobacco control the licensee shall record for each keg sale the date of sale, the size of keg, keg tag identification number, the amount of container deposit, the name, address, and date of birth of the purchaser, and the form of identification presented by such purchaser. The purchaser shall sign a statement at the time of purchase attesting to the accuracy of the purchaser's name and address and acknowledging that misuse of the keg or its contents may result in civil liability, criminal prosecution, or both. The licensee shall retain the identification form for a minimum of three months following the sale of the keg."
So after three months what happens?  It would seem that if breweries were concerned they would get law enforcement involved since it could involve criminal prosecution. Let's face it.....Big Beer doesn't really care about getting the kegs back or at least enough to actively pursue it.

Equipment and Software / Re: The ethics of keggles
« on: February 07, 2015, 11:07:13 AM »
In the past there was such a thing as returnable bottles. You would pay a bottle deposit and you would get your money back when you returned the bottles.  If you never returned the bottles would that constitute stealing/theft?  Isn't the keg just one big returnable bottle?

Equipment and Software / Re: The ethics of keggles
« on: February 06, 2015, 12:43:53 PM »
I don't get why the keg deposit can be as low as 20 or 30 bucks when the replacement cost is at 4 times that. Charge $100 bucks for a deposit a see how many kegs go missing.

What have you ever rented that required you to put down the total replacement cost as a deposit? For many businesses that would drive off a significant portion of customers.
Very true. But....what have you ever rented where if you don't return the item you are only out your deposit?  This isn't the 1950's anymore. there anyone out there that doesn't have a credit/debit card that can be used as a deposit?  Who puts down a cash deposit for anything (hotel room, car rental, tool rental, etc..)  anymore?  Now if keg theft was truly a problem for breweries they can certainly charge a full replacement value as a deposit. In those states where the government mandates the price of keg deposits....I am sure Big Beer has enough political clout that they could get the law changed easily if they WANTED the law to change. 

Equipment and Software / Re: The ethics of keggles
« on: February 06, 2015, 12:25:42 AM »
If it says Budweiser I wouldn't give a flying eff.  They have so much power and lobbyist money that if it actually affected them, they'd bribe someone to change the deposit law.

Any brewery or distributor can immediately "change the deposit law" by charging the face value of the keg as a deposit. I don't get why the keg deposit can be as low as 20 or 30 bucks when the replacement cost is at 4 times that. Charge $100 bucks for a deposit a see
 how many kegs go missing.

I agree!  When I rent a car, a movie, or even a library book and fail to return it I am on the hook for the replacement value. No reason breweries can't be the same.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Competition Scoresheet timeline.....
« on: January 29, 2015, 12:56:21 PM »
What we'll do for the Falcons Competitions is:
  • take the scoresheets as they come in - sort them into entry order and check them off in the system as received.
  • Those scoresheets are then taken off to a friend's business with a big document center type scanner and scanned and mailed out to a free email account.
  • Scripts login to that account, pull down documents, name them properly and sort them into entrant buckets.
  • After all the scoresheets are received, the scripts verify that all sheets have been properly sorted, upload them to our website and then email all the entrants with a link to their score sheets. (a link email seems to have far better penetration rate / lower bounce rate than directly attaching the pdf's)

We've turned around the Mayfaire - a 500-700 entry competition in about 5 hours in the past.

So does that mean we should see scoresheets from the DKM comp soon?

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Competition Scoresheet timeline.....
« on: January 29, 2015, 11:44:21 AM »
Scanning is a great idea as long the emails actually go out reasonably quick. My idea with the SASE is that it seems like comps are always short staffed with volunteers.  So anything that we as entrants can do to make it go smoother/easier we should do. I can't imagine sending a SASE with your entries would turn anyone off from a comp.  If that would be a deal breaker I can't imagine those brewers would bother to pack and ship their entries via UP$ ...... that is a PITA and expensive!

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: 2-step starters
« on: January 28, 2015, 09:57:10 PM »
a half gallon mason jar will only cost about 1.50 for what it's worth. you could get quite a few mason jars for the cost of a 5L flask
Does the mason jar work with a stir plate?

General Homebrew Discussion / Competition Scoresheet timeline.....
« on: January 28, 2015, 09:02:17 PM »
Since we are getting into the season for homebrewing competitions I have noticed a problem and potential solution.  Am I the only one frustrated with the amount of time it takes to receive scoresheets?  I guess it is fairly common to wait up to a month before getting your scoresheets?  Now I know the comps are run by a dedicated group of volunteers and I am not trying to place blame on anyone.  My solution would be very, very simple.  When you send in your beers include a self-addressed stamped envelope (SASE) for every beer entered that way as soon as the judges are done judging your beer the steward/organizer can stuff your scoresheets in the SASE and put them in the outgoing mailbox! Of course this assumes that the beer is not moving on to the second round/BOS.  But might actually get your scoresheets within a week's time, if not sooner!  Then when you sit down with the scoresheets and taste your beer you have a better chance of tasting the same beer the judges did. 

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« on: January 25, 2015, 02:05:19 PM »
What about using chlorine dioxide tablets to kill/greatly reduce the numbers of bacteria in your yeast starter? I do this anytime I am stepping up an older starter to a pitchable quantity.  I agree that prevention is the best but......most of us are playing with yeast in less than perfect conditions.  Seems like cheap insurance.

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: BSI Yeast Sample
« on: January 24, 2015, 09:45:02 AM »
Now that i the sample has been resting in the fridge I would say that it is approx 300-400 ml of thick yeast.  So I still think I can get by with 10 gallons of lager without a starter.

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: BSI Yeast Sample
« on: January 23, 2015, 11:11:05 AM »
Nice. Is it the Augustener or one of the Abby strains.

Some say WLP-860 = Augustener.
WLP-835 Lagar X rhymes with Kloster Andechs.

The Ettal or Weltenberger would be interesting. When living in Germany I had some of the Weltenberger beers, and those are very malty.

It is the Ettal strain.  Kind of flying blind info on the yeast from BSI website.

Yeast and Fermentation / BSI Yeast Sample
« on: January 23, 2015, 09:22:25 AM »
I live down the street from a pro brewer who recently was given some free yeast samples from BSI.  He gave me one of his 1L sample packages.  Pretty stoked since it is a German lager strain that no one else(Wyeast/ White Labs) offers!  Does anyone know what the cell count might be in something like this?  Was going to brew 10gal of Dunkel and of course didn't want to underpitch.  My pro brewer buddy didn't think I would need a starter but he also had no idea what the cell count might be for the 1L sample?  I know White Labs vials contain approx 100 b cells per 35ml but I don't think I really want to extrapolate those numbers here. 

The Pub / Re: Jim Koch has a problem....
« on: January 06, 2015, 08:52:24 PM »
Personally I think he has a point....craft beer drinkers can be a bunch of pompous blow hards.  It's not enough to make a solid beer anymore. Sam Adams is mentioned multiple times in the BJCP style guidelines for a variety of beer styles.  If they made crappy beer I would hope the BJCP wouldn't include them as commercial examples.  That said I wouldn't go into a "craft beer bar" and expect to find Sam Adams just like I wouldn't go into some underground, indie record shop and find the latest U2 release.  Those types of businesses thrive on having the hard to find and unusual products....not something you can pick up just about anywhere.  But that alone is NOT a measure of quality.

All Grain Brewing / Re: 60 Minute mash?
« on: December 31, 2014, 08:18:34 PM »
I have thinking about shortening my mash times to 45 minutes. Using a refractometer I have noticed no significant increases in gravity past that time.  Plus by the time I run off my first runnings, fill up the MLT, and vorlauf the grain bed has been at mash temps for probably close to 75-80 minutes.  So why not not shorten the "official" mash time to 45 minutes?

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