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Going Pro / Re: Thinking of your recipe, buying hops.
« on: August 31, 2011, 01:54:29 PM »

The current law in WI does not allow me to distribute your beer. If I could I would LOVE to.

Fruit extract vs real fruit. I was just offered 200 lb of Black Current for fruit beer. Price for 1lb was $4.50.
So compare extract price and real fruit price.

Kegging and Bottling / Re: Head space and forced CO2
« on: August 31, 2011, 12:15:39 AM »
If you use loose hops in the keg for dry hopping you might have issue with clogging the dip tube.
One way to prevent this is to put hops in bag and then suspend the bag from the keg lid.

All that said kegs are great for dry hopping.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Beer in Europe...
« on: August 31, 2011, 12:01:28 AM »
Glad you had a great time.

Currency is Koruna but close enough. Yes Czechs are not Germans. They are "Bohemians" :).

As far as water is concern. Pilsner style beer is brewed all over Czech and Slovak Republic. It might be tru that Plzen has a soft water but other cities might not. Because Czech and Slovak repoblic are on continental divide water is from soft to moderate in hardness. What I am trying to say is do not loose sleep over the water and do not go crazy with destilled / RO water. After all you are making "Bohemian" beer.

Cierne pivo has most likely origination in Munich Dunkel but "Bohemians" made it more caramely / sweet. 

Going Pro / Re: Rigging used dairy euipment for startup brewery
« on: August 30, 2011, 11:38:19 PM »
Rough number for water usage is 5 to 8 times of beer produced.

There as "organic approved" chemicals for cleaning. They are been used in Dairy industry. You can ask your dairy supply shop about it. Do not kid yourself. You will need to use chemicals for cleaning. You could use steam but I am not sure how effective it is for cleaning. Sanitizing with steam is great.

How many BBL a year you are planning to brew?

Equipment and Software / Re: Chilling the wort......
« on: August 30, 2011, 07:58:22 PM »
Homebrewers march pump.
Duda diesel for plate chillers.
Whirlpool for 10 minutes let settle for 10 minutes.
You could also use a strainer before chiller.
Those are about $150 thou.

The last thing. More sophisticated equipment you have
more time you will spend cleaning it.

Equipment and Software / Re: Mill motor
« on: August 30, 2011, 07:47:06 PM »
Yes I got MM3 with 2" rollers and 1/2" shaft.
I mill about 300lb a batch.
1/2 hp motor from surplus center will do.
I use belt drive.
I have 12" shive on the mill side and 1.75" on the motor side.
You could go with 10" shive on mill side.
If you need more info I can take a pics and point you to the parts source.

Going Pro / Re: Rigging used dairy euipment for startup brewery
« on: August 30, 2011, 07:36:52 PM »
No problem or taste altering with plastic kegs.

You can get surety bond from your insurance agent. It is $100 a year for $1000 bond. You need to have two bonds (state and federal).

Fed said you can apply for brewers bond when you are 95% done with your brewery. We submited our license when we secured our space. We needed to be zoned industrial. Commercial zoning did not cut it with city.

Do you have well water? How are you going to despise waste water and cleaning chemicals?
You would not want to overrun your septic.
How far are you from Galina IL?
Prety town. Lots of money.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Salty beer?
« on: August 30, 2011, 06:52:07 PM »
No it does not taste salty to me.

On the other side I do not have the most refined pallet ether.
I have been brewing with same water for more then 3 years with similar salt adjustments.
This is first "salty" feedback.

Going Pro / Re: Rigging used dairy euipment for startup brewery
« on: August 30, 2011, 06:18:45 PM »
I also use plastic kegs america.
I have 77 1/2 BBL and 6 1/4 BBL.
So far I did not have any issue with them.
If you deal with them (PKA) you have to have a plenty of time.
Their lead time is 4 weeks.
I am not too exited to buy used kegs.
You never know how they had been handled.
I saw a picture on ProBrewer forum of used keg with slime growing from spire.

Microstar has a minimum kegs per month.
I think it is 100 kegs a month and you still have to clean them.
There are other keg rentals companies like keg credit but I do not have any experience with them.

Going Pro / Re: Rigging used dairy euipment for startup brewery
« on: August 30, 2011, 01:31:39 AM »
There are a quite a few breweries that started with used dairy equipment.
Used dairy equipment used to be plentyfull and cheap.
That was then and now is now.
If you are farmer you have a better info where to get used equipment.
To my knowledge there is none any more.

All that said you have potential 100 gallon tank.
You need to look at the whole picture when dealing with used equipment.
That means what kind of modification needs to be done is it would do what you need it for.

You suggest the steam heating.
Steam heating is great.
Do you know how much is a steam generator.

How do you clean it?
You just can not take 100 gallon tank tip it and clean it.

Does it have all necessary connections you want to have or some one will have to weld it?

Frugal way is a good way.
You already have a building for it and that is a great plus.
Good luck.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: My New Sour Beer Website
« on: August 29, 2011, 10:56:17 PM »
Hmmm ... looks like spam to me.  ;)
See if you get any sours next time you are up for a Titans game .... :)
Me too me too please. I will skip the game thou.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Salty beer?
« on: August 29, 2011, 10:35:07 PM »
It is Bo Pils. No sugar added at all :)

So far we sold 52 BBL (1612 Gallons) of beer (in 4 months) and this is first negative feedback.
May be that is why I am so worked up about it.

All other feedbacks are positive.

Thank you guys for help.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Salty beer?
« on: August 29, 2011, 09:46:04 PM »
This was first ever claim.
I adjust my water 60grams of calcium chloride and calcium sulfide (gypsum) for 180 gallons of finished wort.
I put it into the mash only.

Would Saaz be precived as salty?

General Homebrew Discussion / Salty beer?
« on: August 29, 2011, 09:07:49 PM »
I just heard that my beer taste salty.
I am aware of sour, plasticky, green apple, corn... Taste descriptors.
I am not sure about that my beer left a salty aftertaste.
Anybody can help?

Going Pro / Re: Brewery Financing for someone with no wealth/collateral
« on: August 23, 2011, 07:54:02 PM »
Keith and Leos have my respect for doing this and making a go of it.
Thank you Jeff.
It has been interesting ride so far.
I work much more then what I wished for.
People like our beers and each month I am brewing more.
Now the double brews are name of the game.

I/we have chosen a different route then Keith. We started this as a family business.
We are also in the state that we can self distribute our product.
Self distribution is a major cornerstone of our business plan.
Without it I would not open a brewery.
Another piece is that we took price of packaging out of the price of beer.
We bottle in non traditional format and ask deposit for the bottle.

A few (rough) statistics for brewery with distributor.
1,000 BBL a year = break even point.
3,000 BBL a year = doing O.K.
there is one employee for 1,000 BBL
If you self distribute cut the number of BBL in half.

Now make that on 1 BBL system.

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