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The Pub / Re: Beer brewers vs beer "architects" in Belgium
« on: January 09, 2015, 07:52:01 AM »
Here it is if you just contract brew then you are a beer company. If you brew then you are breeding company. Boston Beer Company started as a contract brewer....

OK.  I think I get you.  You and Major are making the distinction between the brewer/brewery and the company who contracts them to brew their beer.  I missed that in the earlier post. 

I thought Major was saying if you were a contract brewer (ie. brewing someone else's beer for them) you were not a "real" brewery. 

I agree that if you contract someone else to brew your beer you are not a brewery/brewer.  But the brewery contracted to brew the beer for you is.

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The Pub / Re: Jim Koch has a problem....
« on: January 09, 2015, 07:47:16 AM »
Joe, I admire that nice looking brick building with the Schlitz sign every time I go to the Map Room.

Yep, that's one of them.  I think Fitzgerald's on Fullerton is also an old tied-house.

In the late 90's there was a push to landmark them so they couldn't be torn down, but I don't recall if that was approved or not.  If it made it to City Council, which I think it did, I'm sure it was approved.

No one builds storefronts like those anymore. 

Back on topic, sort of, I've attempted twice this week to convince myself to buy some Sam Adam's when I've been at the grocery store simply on account of spending too much time on this thread.  I just couldn't do it.  The seasonal mix-pack looks interesting, but I know there's beer in there I won't drink and it will just take up space in the fridge.  I also considered the Folly Pack, but it's the same thing.  The curse of mixed twelve packs. 

If the Sam Adams barrel series were easily available, I'd try those.

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The Pub / Re: Jim Koch has a problem....
« on: January 08, 2015, 03:53:34 PM »
Haven't we all acted dick-ish once in awhile?

Me? Never.

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The Pub / Re: Beer brewers vs beer "architects" in Belgium
« on: January 08, 2015, 01:10:42 PM »
I imagine it vexes the contract brewers greatly because it means they can't pretend they are something they are not - a real brewery.

I'm not sure I get your distinction.  They are brewing, are they not?  What is a "real" brewery and how is it different?

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The Pub / Re: Jim Koch has a problem....
« on: January 08, 2015, 10:57:29 AM »
That just made me think that the pressure is probably worse from the other end. Many of those places that were "mostly AB products but we'll through in a Sam Adams BL and seasonal tap for variety" don't need Sam Adams after the InBev buyout because InBev brought all of these European brands to the lineup. Add in local brands they've purchased like Goose Island and an AB (I mean InBev) only bar can have a pretty diverse selection.

Can you have a bar that sells only InBev products?  Sounds like the old tied house model, which I thought you couldn't do anymore.  But I have not researched this and could be entirely wrong.
Hmm. Good question - but I've seen it so the answer must be yes. In Delaware I heard that Iron Hill can't open more locations (they have two) due to limits on the number of bars a brewery can have. But that's ownership not what is served.

That makes a lot of sense and as I thought about it, I believe the tied-house system was brewery ownership of bars, which then served only the brewery products.  Some of these old buildings still exist in Chicago as bars (some are restaurants).  Typically, the front has Schlitz or something emblazoned on the building.  The buildings themselves are quite attractive.

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The Pub / Re: Jim Koch has a problem....
« on: January 07, 2015, 09:31:07 AM »
Sam Adams really doesn't make mediocre beers, they pretty much make boring beers. Mediocre implies not very good, they are clean and good, they are just boring as sin. Now they do fill the niche for being almost everywhere so they have saved my life on more than one occasion.

Exactly.  Except that, as Major pointed out, they're doing their sour thing which hopefully isn't boring.  Not my thing though, so I won't try it.  But aside from that, I'd say their image is one of boring beer.  Solidly made, quality boring beer.

I do love their Double Bock, though.

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The Pub / Re: Jim Koch has a problem....
« on: January 07, 2015, 08:59:46 AM »
That just made me think that the pressure is probably worse from the other end. Many of those places that were "mostly AB products but we'll through in a Sam Adams BL and seasonal tap for variety" don't need Sam Adams after the InBev buyout because InBev brought all of these European brands to the lineup. Add in local brands they've purchased like Goose Island and an AB (I mean InBev) only bar can have a pretty diverse selection.

Can you have a bar that sells only InBev products?  Sounds like the old tied house model, which I thought you couldn't do anymore.  But I have not researched this and could be entirely wrong.

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Kegging and Bottling / Re: Used kegs
« on: January 06, 2015, 02:25:11 PM »
Got an e-mail from AIH this morning.  Kegs are on sale again.  $75 for new 5 gallon ball locks.

I have too many empties right now to buy more.

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The Pub / Re: Jim Koch has a problem....
« on: January 05, 2015, 04:29:47 PM »
His whole problem, though, seems to be that he's stuck in the past.  If he's as good a businessman as his degrees would lead you to believe, he would have seen the market shift and moved with it.  But he seems to only want to do what he's always done.

It's probably near impossible to be continuously innovating.

Sam Adams helped clear the way, but compared to what's available and popular today they're pretty staid offerings. 

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Gelatin fining for pale ale?
« on: January 05, 2015, 09:46:12 AM »
I suppose I will just leave it instead of mess with it. I am used to reasonably bright beers so it bugs me more than it should. Maybe it just needs some time.

FWIW, you sure can add gelatin to carbed beer. ive done it and cant say anything negative happened.

Ok cool. Should I worry about any hop character being stripped out as the beer clears?

Late to the game by a couple posts, but I've fined carbed beer several times with no worries.

Sometimes time and cold doesn't work fast enough.

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The Pub / Re: Whiskey
« on: December 24, 2014, 07:06:47 PM »
You can keep yer Scotch.

I won't turn down the Jameson, but Red Breast is where it's at for Irish Whiskey.

You can pour out the Bushmills.

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All Things Food / Re: Sausage Slicer - need help
« on: December 19, 2014, 02:38:02 PM »
Already have the knife covered, but it misses the cool factor. I was able to find a 10% Wayfair coupon, but at $80 it is still not a pull the trigger kinda price.

I know.  Just being a wisenheimer.

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All Things Food / Re: Sausage Slicer - need help
« on: December 19, 2014, 02:07:28 PM »
I use a sharp knife.  Not quite as fancy, but effective.

No shipping charges, cuz it's already in the block.

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Beer Recipes / Re: saison
« on: December 18, 2014, 02:58:27 PM »
How much difference do you see in a recipe like this from Belgian to German grist? I have sacks of Avangard Pils, and Weyerman Munich I&II. I would likely pick up some Dingeman Wheat at LHBS to finish this off. I like the simplicity, the Saison I made last year was 90/10 Pilsner/Munich I with 3724. I enjoyed it but no one else did. I want to try another Saison with 3711 and this looks like a good start.

I think that the malt really takes a back seat to the yeast, so in my opinion Belgian or German grist shouldn't have a significant impact.

I try to go as simple as possible and let the yeast be the thing.  3711 is my current standard.  I've given up on 3724, at least for the time being.  IME it's very finicky and I don't have a setup where I can easily warm a fermenter.

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Kegging and Bottling / Re: Northern Brewer 3 Gallon Keg System
« on: December 18, 2014, 12:40:40 PM »
You guys are lucky to have seen the Ride the Lightning tour, that rules. I was only about a year old when that album came out and it's probably Metallica's best album, followed closely by Master of Puppets.

I must admit.  I stole that shirt from my brother.  But he's not getting it back.

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