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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Zero Headspace in Carboy
« on: April 24, 2012, 09:47:57 AM »
It's not wort anymore.  It's beer.

I haven't been for a couple years, but I thought it was worth the trip with some caveats.

It's a cool building and a scenic site. 

Their wines are on par with what you will find in the area.  Not the greatest (I will admit to wine snobbery) and more expensive than what you might expect.

Their beer was pretty good.  I think they had a wheat beer on tap when I was there, and IIRC the price of a pint wasn't too bad (+/- $5). I didn't buy any bottled beer.

They had a grill going too and we got lunch for the kids and ate outside.

All in all it was very nice.  But it was more a nice experience than outstanding products.  I would definitely go back.

We also have enjoyed Domaine Berrien, which is close by.  They have a nice tasting room and you can get a bottle and some cheese and sit out on the deck.  But they do not brew beer.

All Grain Brewing / Re: No head!?!?
« on: April 24, 2012, 07:17:34 AM »
Also soap/oil on the glass, fermenter, etc.

I would rule this out first.  If you're using jet dry or something like that in your dishwasher it will kill the head on the beer.

Rinse and wipe your glass and see if that helps.

Going Pro / Re: "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 23, 2012, 05:07:54 PM »
I've held enough pints in my life to know what is a pint and what isn't.

And if you pour a twelve ounce bottle into a pint it should have room left over and not be full.

These glasses were 12 oz.

All Grain Brewing / Re: No head!?!?
« on: April 23, 2012, 02:36:03 PM »
Also IIRC head forming proteins only form once, so if they were lost somewhere along the way they may not have formed again in your glass.

This, I've heard also but have never seen anything that would substantiate it.

Since I, and many others, carbonate our kegs via the shake method and still get good long-lasting head (the best kind, eh) I find it hard to believe.

If you carb up some beer in a two liter and shake the heck out of it, you get a fair amount of foam in the bottle.  I've not had the experience that these beers are carbonated but head-less.

Going Pro / Re: "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 23, 2012, 01:46:26 PM »
I'd be more concerned with ordering a "pint" as advertised and being served less. Might not be a big deal to some - but its best not to deceive your consumers.

I called them out on the glass sizes once.  I had a stout in a British pint glass (with the bulb out near the top).  I told the woman behind the bar it was a 12 oz glass.

She filled one with water and poured it into one of the other standard "pint" glasses to prove it was a pint.  I told her all she did was prove that all of their glasses were 12 ounces.

She did not like me much.

Going Pro / Re: "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 23, 2012, 11:58:16 AM »
There's a place by my house that sells "pints" that are really 12oz.

And the prices are high.  But they have some great beer and I can walk there so I like to go on occasion.

If the prices were better, I'd go more regularly.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Swift kick to the nuts!
« on: April 23, 2012, 07:56:31 AM »
I agree.  But I also agree with Denny.  There's always room for improvement, even if you beer is good.

I'd like to think my beer keeps getting better as I continue to learn.

Sometimes my friends love a beer I don't really care for and know I can improve.

Ingredients / Re: Adding oats during the boil?
« on: April 22, 2012, 11:59:36 AM »
I don't recall where I read it (perhaps BYO many years ago) but I have added oats to the boil.

Many years ago. At the time I was brewing all extract, and this was about the only way to get oats into the beer.

These days, I mash them with my base grains.

I can't recall what impact they had on flavor, but I'm still brewing the same base recipe so it must have been positive.

Going Pro / Re: "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 20, 2012, 08:48:01 PM »
Ok - its like you live in a rented trailer and work part time at the convenience store and want to have kids. That's the way I see many people who want to open breweries. You don't have a plan to get the 250 grand you need and (maybe) don't make very good beer to boot.


I thought I posted, but it didn't post... So here goes again.

Here in Illinois, distributors basically have a geographic monopoly.  You have no choices and must play by their rules and pay whatever they extract.  I think there are 3 major distributors.

Bell's chose to stay out of the state for years due to this fact.  So the atmosphere is clearly limiting consumer choices.

Distributors also have a powerful lobby in Springfield protecting their interests.

I like bridges and roads, too, but I don't like my taxes subsidizing businesses that are extracting high profits and controlling market prices.

For perspective, our income tax rate here in Illinois was increase 66%, so we're sensitive to taxes.

Oh, and charities are losing their non-profit benefits here as well.  But the tax preferred status of non-profits is a whole different topic.

Going Pro / Re: "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 20, 2012, 07:50:52 PM »
Anchor steam??? Common giys. We are talking about building a brewery ground up not starting with an established brand and family fortune. Doesn't work here. Rich guys are racing yachts not home brewing.

I thought with that comment Morticai was pointing out that age should be immaterial.

There's plenty of examples of someone buying an established brand and running it into the ground. 

But, you are correct that it's bad example with respect to the original post.

Going Pro / Re: "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 20, 2012, 07:46:56 PM »
I think there is a parallel here with the advice one receives when the first child is on the way. It's all about how hard it is, how little sleep you will get, how much it will cost, etc. It's not that people are trying to discourage you as much as they don't want you to look back and say 'why didn't anyone tell me it would be so hard?'

It's all true, I don't sleep, have no money and have never worked so hard (a child for me, not a brewery but same same) but I wouldn't trade it. I think Major and the rest of the dream catchers on here would feel the same way about their 'babies'.

You can imagine how wonderful it will be, it's harder to imagine how hard so everyone is trying to 'help out'.

Good analogy! I don't want to discourage anyone's dreams. I just want to apprise everyone what's in store. Cream rises to the top. don't look at it as someone stepping in front of your dreams, look at it as telling you the facts - and if you are going to do it this is what you need to get ready. It ain't homebrewing!

I agree that's a good analogy, with the exception that I've never seen anyone with kids being discouraging of others having kids.  It's more like "when are you going to have one/another one."

It seems that people feel the responses here are discouraging about becoming pro rather than receiving constructive advice.

No one told me not to have three kids, they waited until afterwards to tell me how hard it is.  But there are a ton of rewards that come with that hard work.

Perhaps it's just putting a different spin on the advice you're giving?  I'm sure there are rewards to all the hard work you put in at your brewery.

Going Pro / Re: "The Grand Timeline"
« on: April 20, 2012, 07:33:25 PM »
Nothing wrong with that at all.  Helps to smooth out the bumps.

Obviously, he did well with it.  Family money does not prevent failure, although it may provide a soft landing and certainly helps at the start.

I hardly thing Anchor is a failure so he must have some business skills.

Kegging and Bottling / Re: Storing keg-bottled beers
« on: April 20, 2012, 07:29:36 PM »
Hmm.  It was supposed to be a "bad batch" but I had it happen again with another batch.

Maybe I try again.  I've found the Brewers Best tabs to be WAY off and I have totally overcarbed beers.

I'm at the point where I don't trust bottling anymore.  But I do it so rarely it doesn't matter.

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