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The Pub / Re: A bomber is rarely a good deal
« on: May 11, 2013, 09:26:08 AM »
Joe, I am not sure I can help you. You are very confused. Buying one 12 ounce bottle is not even close to the same thing as buying a six pack.  I am talking about buying ONE 12 ounce bottle of beer vs ONE 22 ounce bottle of beer.  NOT six packs, twelve packs or even cases of 12 ounce beers. JUST ONE BEER.

But that's EXACTLY what the original post is about.  With pictures.

I can buy single bottles, just like Sean is saying, in a make-your-own six pack deal.  I've not checked those prices but if it makes you happy, I will do so and post back.

I honestly can't figure out what your trying to say, but simply repeating it doesn't prove your point.  Give some examples.  Arguments backed by evidence are much stronger.

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The Pub / Re: A bomber is rarely a good deal
« on: May 11, 2013, 08:13:32 AM »
Show me a brewery selling 12ouncers for a better deal than bombers, then you have an article.

I don't get it. The most I've seen a 6-pack of beer go for is roughly $15, which works out to $4.58 for a 22 fl oz bomber. At least around here, bombers bottom out at $4.99, so the same beer in a 6-pack is always going to be cheaper, per unit volume.

A 6-pack is not 12 ounces its 72. Yes as you go up in volume,  price goes down per unit volume. If the brewery sold you a 12 ounce beer for a better deal than the 22 ounce bomber, the bomber would never sell and cease to exist.  IME you can get a 6 pack for about the same a 2 bombers. Bombers are a really bad deal.

Neither the math nor the article you are challenging are in disagreement with your latest statement.  Although you seem to be saying both that bombers are cheaper or they wouldn't sell and also that they are a bad deal.

If Sean believed a 6-pack was 12 oz, the math above would be over $1 per oz with an equivalent bomber price around $25.

If I'm misunderstanding that you are now in agreement with us, then please post something to support what appears to be your previous contention that 12 oz bottles are more than 22 oz bombers on a per ounce basis.

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Equipment and Software / Re: Mesh bags for hops?
« on: May 10, 2013, 11:47:15 AM »
I've never melted a bag in 20 years of using them.

I've tied them off to the pot handles, tied the to spoons laid across the pot, clipped them to the side, etc.  Everything but the hop spider.

If you use the muslin bags they let a lot of hop material through into the wort.

I've heard/seen people claim that the bags can reduce hop utilization by 10%.  I have no idea if that's true.  I have no problem making hoppy beers when I want them.

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Kegging and Bottling / Re: Handle on 20 LB CO2
« on: May 10, 2013, 10:10:39 AM »
I have too many tanks so I don't go too often.  The last couple times I went, I had to get tanks recertified so it was around $40 for the fill and recert.  The fill itself was only $20+/- a couple dollars.

Maybe $50 includes recert?

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Kegging and Bottling / Re: Looking for experience
« on: May 10, 2013, 08:15:59 AM »
I bought a Jak Pak, which is supposed to be used as for portability of pneumatic tools.  It fits paint ball tanks and has a regulator.  I have never actually used it, since I can't get paint ball tanks filled in the city.

I have all my lines set up with quick disconnects, so my plan is to do the same with the Jak Pak so that I can change out whatever fitting I need on the line.

I think it was like $40 on ebay, which is a deal compared to the Leland regulators you can get at some on-line homebrew places.

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Saison help
« on: May 10, 2013, 07:30:38 AM »
3724 is very finicky in my experience.  It's been years since I've used it simply because I've always had a hard time getting it to finish.  I don't have a reliable way to warm the fermenter to bring the temp up at the end, which may be my problem with this yeast.  Once it stalls, it takes forever to finish.

I've recently used 3711 and my experience (one batch) is that it is important to raise the temp to get it to finish.  I had it in the low 60s and it seemed to stall.  I moved it to a warmer location, roused the yeast and was able to get it up to 70 and it finished nicely.

T-58 does not seem to be so temperature sensitive.

Of course, none of these are the White Labs strains so there may be some variation in performance.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Drinking while brewing
« on: May 10, 2013, 06:56:31 AM »
seems like a few of you are not very well functioning drunks. Just sayin'.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure this out myself. Brew day is usually 5 to 6 hours....A beer an hour can't hurt you... well at least it doesn't affect me too much. The only thing that I ever forget on a regular basis is whirlfloc. I have started to add a 10-15 minute hop addition, so I add my tab to that baggie.

The two things I always forget, regardless of consumption, are Irish moss and yeast nutrient.  I suppose I should add them to my recipe so I remember. I'm very much a list person.  If it's not on the list, I'm likely to forget it.

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Equipment and Software / Re: PBW
« on: May 10, 2013, 06:53:34 AM »
My LHBS has a Better Bottle on display with a crack at the bottom where the wall meets the bottom.  The crack apparently was due to chemical stress or some other environmental stress fracture.  It has a sign on it reminding you not to store chemicals (PBW, StarSan, etc.) for extended amounts of time; just clean and sanitize and get the chemicals out and let it dry.  Always put water in first, then the chemicals, etc.  I know I get lazy and let my carboy sit for days with PBW until I get around to cleaning it.  I guess if I ever replace them with Better Bottles I will have to make sure I am careful about that.

I've let mine sit and soak for days on end with no ill effects.   I am not using PBW, so maybe that's the difference.  I dunno.  I've had nothing but good with my BBs.

Ya know, I've heard that bacteria thing or years and I think it's hooey.  Not only have I never had a problem, but I have a hard time imagining bacteria could hide somewhere that PBW and StarSan couldn't get to.

I agree with this.  I've got one BB where I did not treat it quite right at first and I know it has scratches from a carboy brush.  With good sanititation, I've had no issues fermenting in it.

I did have one infected batch a couple of years ago, but I'm not certain it was this fermenter and one bad batch out of many is not enough for me to toss the fermenter.

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Kegging and Bottling / Re: Bottling for Competitions?
« on: May 09, 2013, 01:26:11 PM »
Carb tabs can work just fine.  I've used just about all of the brands out there and there is some variation in consistency, but they all work.

The Munton's product left weird waxy floaty things in my beer, so I stopped using those.  From what I've read on forums from that time it was bad batch and they supposedly fixed the problem.

I don't submit to competitions, so I can't give you any feedback on that. 

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Equipment and Software / Re: PBW
« on: May 09, 2013, 12:43:22 PM »
Better Bottles ... will not shatter.

No but they will stress and crack at the most inopportune times spilling precious homebrew everywhere.  If I do plastic, its a nice thick walled bucket...

While that has never happened to me in 10 years of use, I can't argue with your experience if it has happened to you.  There is the potential for mishaps with any piece of equipment.

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Equipment and Software / Re: O2 regulator noise
« on: May 09, 2013, 12:23:22 PM »
I don't think mine whistles.  Yes, you have to turn it many times to get the O2 flowing and it is not the most precise dial to control.

I'm not certain my regulator came from Williams, but it is likely.

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Equipment and Software / Re: PBW
« on: May 09, 2013, 09:55:53 AM »
Ultimately it was cracking one on the concrete floor that did it for me.  More accurately, the proximity of one of my children when I cracked the carboy.

I'll take risks with myself, but not with my kids.

Better Bottles and buckets will not shatter.

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All Things Food / Re: BBQ Style
« on: May 09, 2013, 09:51:24 AM »
That's sweet.  I max out around 7 racks on my smoker.

Maybe I need to talk to the wife about an upgrade.

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The Pub / Re: A bomber is rarely a good deal
« on: May 09, 2013, 09:33:07 AM »
Most people buy their beer at the liquor store, not at breweries.

In a discussion of retail pricing the price at a retail establishment would seem to be relevant.  Not the price at the brewery, regardless of whether there is any difference.

Don't know where freshness comes into the equation here.

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The Pub / Re: A bomber is rarely a good deal
« on: May 09, 2013, 08:53:17 AM »
Price is all about productivity and cost.
If you are so much price shopper then buy it in the keg.

Buying by the keg is impractical for most, although I have considered it for Unibroue and some Goose Island products.  I can get a 5 gallon keg from Binny's for +/- $80, which is a pretty damn good deal for those beers.

Price is not just productivity and cost, it is also about market and demand.  For whatever reason, the market allows an up-charge on bombers (I'll trust you that this may also be linked to higher bottling costs).  If there wasn't demand that supports this we wouldn't be seeing $10 bombers.

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