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Equipment and Software / Re: Oxygen aeration with tank
« on: February 19, 2013, 07:43:37 AM »
Never tried the tubing, but I've been using the wand for years.  Love it.

Kegging and Bottling / Re: cornelius vs firestone
« on: February 18, 2013, 10:48:36 AM »
Pin locks are made out of a thicker gage steel, and are harder to dent, but they are a little heavier.

This I was completely unaware of.

Kegging and Bottling / Re: cornelius vs firestone
« on: February 18, 2013, 08:21:29 AM »
I believe ball locks have typically been more common.  But pin locks are used by a lot of people, too.

I would say the most important thing is to be sure that all of your kegs are the same, so that you don't need different quick disconnects.

There is no specific benefit to either pin or ball lock that I am aware of.

Beer Recipes / Re: Is this a Blond or Saison?
« on: February 15, 2013, 02:54:19 PM »
Use 3711/3724 = Saison

Use 3522/3787/1214/etc = blond

T-58 can make a saison (or so I'm told).

Lallemand also has a dry saison yeast.

Just changing the yeast makes it a Saison?  Would I also need a later hop addition?

Yes.  You get a tremendous amount of character from these yeasts.  You might could hop a saison more aggressively than a blonde.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: 1st Yeast Harvest
« on: February 15, 2013, 02:19:30 PM »
I agree with pretty much everything Mort said.  I've not gone much beyond three generations on my harvests.  I've also begun using sort of a "master" slurry like he describes, where I will take some yeast from my harvest and build up a starter to pitch in the next batch. I keep the bulk of the slurry in the fridge to use on subsequent batches and have not been reharvesting the same strain until/unless the slurry in the fridge is depleted.

As far as what you have harvested, I typically get much thicker slurries than what you show.  Did you wash the yeast?  I swirl my carboys and pour the slurry into tupperware containers.  When they separate, I typically have 1/2 liter of yeast in a liter bottle.

Beer Recipes / Re: Is this a Blond or Saison?
« on: February 15, 2013, 02:13:24 PM »
Looks like a blonde to me.  Particularly with that yeast.

IME, the saison yeasts have a very different character to them.  There's a spiciness that you won't get from Ardennes.

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Long fermentation - is it time to bottle?
« on: February 15, 2013, 01:59:43 PM »
Check the gravity. 

Bubbles mean nothing of significance.  If the beer warms up, co2 will come out of suspension, causing bubbles.

Denny beat me!

With my (failed) doppelbock, it's similar to a chalky texture.  So I suppose it could be astringency.

I have both the aquarium pump and the pure o2 system.  I haven't done any controlled experiments to check the benefit of pure o2 but I prefer it.

It's nice to have the aquarium pump as a back up, though. 

I wouldn't use a fuel filter.  Why not just get the in-line hepa filter?

Any HBS should have these.

Could you get this grainy flavor from under-conversion of the grains?

My last doppelbock came in WAY low (partial mash, not all grain) and tastes very malty/grainy.  Not malty in the way that I would like it to, so perhaps grainy is the better descriptor.

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Hennepin Clone Yeast Question??
« on: February 09, 2013, 06:07:08 PM »
Pour a small amount of cooled wort into the bottle.  Swirl it.  Cover it loosely with tin foil.

Add more the next day.  Do this maybe one or two more times and then pitch from the bottle into a starter on a stir plate if you have one.

You should be able to grow it to a pitchable amount if you start with weak wort when you add it to the bottle.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: The Mad Fermentationist's Top 10 Myths
« on: February 09, 2013, 11:48:18 AM »
In fact, I can make dinner at home in less than the amount of time it takes me to drive to a restaurant , get seated, and drive home!

But you're not factoring in the cost of the house you cook it in, the cost of your stove, the cost of the gas you use to cook, the time it took you to go to the store and shop, the time it takes you to clean up, etc. etc.

I said it earlier in the thread, but what you are really arguing is opportunity cost.  So if the cost of brewing is that you don't wash your car, go ahead and factor that in.  But you can't assume that you're going to be paid a salary for all of your waking hours.

We will not agree, so I'll stop now.

One of the things I do like about bottling is that I get my daughters involved helping me with the process making it a Family effort! 

One of my daughters helps me keg.  The other is not interested.  They have also labelled bottles for me, but I would be concerned about loss if I let them actually bottle.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: The Mad Fermentationist's Top 10 Myths
« on: February 07, 2013, 02:49:49 PM »
But that's just it. If you think you are starting a hobby to save money on beer you are wrong. People who spend hours  on brewday and weeks cellaring and hours packaging do it for the love. It's not really saving money.

Homebrewing to me is very special and I to me that beer doesn't have  aprice tag. That is something I made with my skill and you are lucky if I share it with you. But I don't look at it as cheap by any means. Not anymore than I look at the hand knitted mittens, scarf and toboggan than my wife made me as "cheap".

I don't think anyone ever said "cheap." 

If your only goal is to save money on beer, probably best to just drink PBR.

I would probably never buy the quantity of Belgian beer, old ales, imperial stouts, etc. that I brew.  At the price they cost, I certainly wouldn't give them away as freely as I do my homebrew.

Equipment and Software / Re: FastRack
« on: February 07, 2013, 12:42:58 PM »
Never really noticed the ads before, but you just got me to click on it.

Cool idea.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: The Mad Fermentationist's Top 10 Myths
« on: February 07, 2013, 12:38:30 PM »
Except: You aren't factoring in your labor let alone your equipment. Homebrew is some of the most expensive beer in the world.

I know we've argued this in other threads, but on a per beer basis I really do think it's economical.  I could go buy 5 gallons of Chimay (approx 25 750ml bottles) at $8 each (plus tax).  Or I could brew 5 gallons at +/- $50.  I'll take the homebrew, as to me that's a bargain.

You have to do something with your time.  You can't bank it up.  So rather than the cost of your time this should be opportunity cost.  If you have something better to do, go do it.  If not, why not spend it brewing.  It also takes time to go to the store and buy beer.  No one factors that into the cost of bottled beer.

Equipment can be as expensive or cheap as you desire.  From an overall hobby perspective, it can make the hobby expensive.  On a per beer basis, I don't think equipment cost is applicable.  The money is already spent, so it doesn't impact what it costs you to make that next beer.  If you insist on including it, you should amortize it over every beer you've ever made which makes the per beer cost approach zero, eventually.  Obviously, if you don't yet have the equipment that changes the analysis.

I can agree that I would never recommend that someone get into the hobby to save money on beer.  But since I already have everything I need to make beer, the marginal cost of the next beer is pretty low.  Which makes it economical for me.

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