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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Competition Ethics
« on: December 30, 2010, 06:20:34 PM »
Wow, talk about a roaming thread. . . insults, apologies, fishing!

Back to the topic.  It has been summed up fairly well, but thought I would give my take.

As discussed earlier, if you want feedback on why some of your fruits don't shine in your mead, then noting all fruits may be appropriate.  (I do like the concept of stating all of the fruits but then also adding that the primary fruits are x and y).  If you are wanting to do well in the competition, mention only the ones that are detectable.

A correlation can be made to deciding what style to enter in beer brewing.  You may brew what you were planning to be a Robust Porter, but for whatever reason (lower mash efficiency, old ingredients, attenuates too much, etc.) it just doesn't have the proper malt and hop kick and ends up more of a Brown Porter.  Tastes like a Brown Porter, looks like a Brown Porter, smells like a Brown Porter, feels like a Brown Porter.  I say enter as a Brown Porter.  You can enter as a Robust and you will likely get comments back that the alcohol, hops, body, etc. are too low for the style and to enter as a Brown Porter next time.

In any event, it's not an ethics thing for any of these cases.  Just because you add it to the grist (or must) doesn't mean it's going to shine in the final product.

The 13th Annual Domras Cup Mead Competition, sponsored by the Savannah Brewers League, will take place February 5, 2011, beginning at 9 a.m. All mead styles (24,25,26) will be accepted. The on-line entry window will be open January 5 - 27. All entries are due by the 29th. Entry price is only $6. Great prizes from Redstone Meadery and Savannah Bee Company.

We're only second oldest, not nearly as prestigious, but possibly the funnest mead-only competition in the land. As always, we will hold our annual oyster roast afterward in celebration of a great mead day, so come out and enjoy the fun!

Please go to for more information (fyi best to view site in IE).

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Is it done?
« on: November 29, 2010, 05:53:10 PM »
Relax and give it time (easier said than done).

Take SG readings for 3 days and if it's the same, then it has completed fermentation.  However, allowing time for settling of yeast will clear the beer and an extra week to 10 days will help clear up any remaining fermentation by-products.  Patience, my friend.

Homebrew Clubs / Re: Homebrew Clubs in Atlanta.
« on: November 29, 2010, 05:45:05 PM »
Hey Chris, will you and Chris be in SD in June?

Different Chris (& Chris) ;).  I'll pass a note onto them, though.  They are both super busy with the new brewery in TN (or NC??).

As for this Chris, no I won't make SD but definitely will make Seattle if that is the pick for the following year.

christovall in savannah

Homebrew Clubs / Re: Homebrew Clubs in Atlanta.
« on: November 24, 2010, 02:59:14 PM »
There are a number of great clubs in the ATL area.  Covert Hops, Alpharetta BrewMasters, South Atlanta Brewers, Final Gravity, Chicken City Ale Raisers (Gainesville), et. al.

Being in Decatur, your most convenient group is the Covert Hops Society(
They are well organized and seem to do the most group things together.  Monthly meetings vary from Twains, to Brick Store, to other downtown and Decatur establishments.  They hold quarterly group brews on a communal brew system.  And they hold the largest comp in GA.  I hope to come up in Feb/Mar this year to judge at Peach State. 

Final Gravity also meets in Decatur often and are a bunch of good guys.

The Brewmasters probably have the best collective number of brewers (not trying to piss off any of the other clubs but its a fact!) as they tend to win a lot of competitions and have the current AHA Cider Maker of the Year in their fold.  Or maybe they are just more into competitions (I just like to drink their beers).

Chicken City Ale Raisers have the highest qualified BJCP judges in the state with 2 Master Level.  Phil Farrell is big into teaching new BJCP classes each year and holds at least one exam for ATL-area brewers.

So there is a lot to choose from and you won't go wrong with any of them.  Try out a meeting with each and see who you feel most comfortable with.

Homebrew Competitions / Re: 2010 Bay Street Bash hb comp - Nov 6
« on: October 20, 2010, 04:56:38 PM »
The entry window is only open for one more week, so get those entries in.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: A Little Home Brew Survey
« on: October 13, 2010, 06:26:43 PM »
1) What is your age range?
   a. 21-35
   b. 36-45 X
   c. 46-55
   d. 56+

2) What area do you reside in?
  a. Northeast
  b. South X
  c. Midwest
  d. West
  e. Other

3). What do you do for a living? Poop Engineer

4). How many children do you have?
    a. 0
    b. 2-3 X
    c. 4-5
    d. 5+

5). How long have you been home brewing?
    a. >1 year
    b. 1-3 years
    c. 4-7 years
    d. 7+ years X
6). How much money do you spend on home brewing a year?
    a. >$1000 X
    b. $1,000-$2,000
    c. $2,000 +

7). How often do you participate in Home Brewing?
    a. Daily X (brewing, drinking, or thinking about brewing, drinking)
    b. Weekly
    c. Bi-Weekly

 Why did you begin home brewing?  I was lost in a boat in the middle of the Okeefenokee Swamp with a case of friend's homebrew (half gone by that time) - and I didn't care if we were found.

9) Do you have any home brewing goals?  Brewing all 80 BJCP styles (70 and counting. . .)

10).  How many hours per day do you spend online?
    a. >1
    b. 1-2 X
    c. 3-5
    d. 5+

11) What are the top 10 websites that you visit each day?  non-work related:,, aha, homebrewchatter,, msn,, homebrewdigest

12) What forms of social media (ex: facebook, twitter, blogging) do you use the most to connect with home brewers and learn about home brewing itself?  mainly just the websit forums, but also facebook and enjoy the occassional personal brewers blog.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Lost: valuable asset
« on: October 12, 2010, 03:59:11 PM »
Alas, the days of email-driven forums is going by the wayside.  HBD is the only other one I'm aware of at this point, and it is basically on life-support with only a few topics posted each week.  Hopefully, there is an archive set up or being set up for Tech Talk as there is definitely valuable information that can be searched/researced in a database.

FYI, the AHA forum can be set up to notify you when there is a topic/category of interest to you or a thread that you began.  In that way, you get a reminder/link to return to the website.  Just look under your Profile and notifications to make the settings.

Homebrew Competitions / Re: 2010 Bay Street Bash hb comp - Nov 6
« on: October 06, 2010, 10:06:57 PM »
The online entry system should be open by tomorrow evening, Oct 7 thru Oct 27.  Good luck and cheers.

Homebrew Competitions / 2010 Bay Street Bash hb comp - Nov 6
« on: September 20, 2010, 02:03:33 PM »
Once again it is time for the The Bay Street Bash homebrew competition to be held on Saturday, November 6. Entries will be received from October 7 – 27. The competition will include all beer and cider categories, Styles 1-23, 27-28 (we hold a separate mead-only competition in February so plan to enter it as well). As in the past, the winning Best of Show beer will be “guest-brewed” and put on tap at Moon River Brewing Company in addition to other prizes, ribbons and accolades bestowed upon all the winners.

As with last year, we will plan to have drop-offs at local homebrew shops in Atlanta GA, Columbia SC, Charleston SC, and Jacksonville FL.

We also need certified judges, so if available sign up on the online registration system when you enter beers.  We will be using PayPal as the preferred payment option.

The Bash will again be held at The Distillery, 416 West Liberty Street, downtown and near the Roundhouse and all the other action. They have a great selection of beers for socializing after the Bash.

For more info on the Bash, go to

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Brew club off flavors discussion
« on: September 13, 2010, 08:33:13 PM »
I've done 5-6 off-flavor classes over the years just using the BJCP and/or Dr.Beer's guidelines for adulterants and got pretty good results.  The Siebel vials definitely are nice but for $10 or so you can make a good facsimile of nasty flavors out of what's in your spice cabinet. ;D

I'd go with all of Mike's and Thomas' suggestions.  Throw in an estery (banana & lemon extract) and a skunky (Bohemia or other green bottle Euro lager left out in the sun for 30 min) beer, and you're golden.

Homebrew Competitions / Re: Summer Suds in Savannah - Sept 3
« on: August 10, 2010, 12:00:28 PM »
The on-line entry window is open for Summer Suds. We are using a PayPal option as the preferred method of payment for this comp. Also, to keep things manageable, we will be limiting entries to 125, so enter early!

Homebrew Competitions / Summer Suds in Savannah - Sept 3
« on: July 20, 2010, 04:57:36 PM »
In conjunction with the Savannah Craft Brew Fest taking place over Labor Day weekend, the Savannah Brewers League will be hosting the Summer Suds in Savannah homebrew competition on Friday, September 3rd.  This will be a summer "session-style" competition with entries limited to styles with OG=1.060 or less (as published in the 2008 BJCP Style Guidelines).  The on-line entry window will be open August 10 - 25th.  

For more information, visit (fyi the site is best viewed in Microsoft Explorer)

Chris Stovall
Savannah Brewers League

All Grain Brewing / Re: Consistent problems with Diacetyl
« on: July 07, 2010, 06:57:58 PM »
I, too, had a similar issue with some kegged beers getting buttery over time.  I also chalked it up to bacteria in the kegging system.  So, I cleaned the dip tubes, then filled the kegs with boiling water left for about an hour (make sure to release the air out of the dip tube so that water gets inside).  Then an iodophor bath for another hour.

Symptons gone.

Homebrew Clubs / Re: Augusta, GA?
« on: June 25, 2010, 05:06:21 PM »
Sorry to say but as far as I'm aware you will be in beer wasteland ;)

I'm not aware of anything formal as far as a club and don't know of any BJCP judges in the area either, though you are more than welcome to come down to Savannah to a SBL meeting 1st Wednesday of the month at Moon River.  Columbia might even be closer to a Palmetto Brewers meeting.

My few times in town, I really only know of one good bar with a good beer selection - don't recall the name but it's downtown next to Nacho Mama's with about 15 taps and a number of bottles as well.  Of course, I've only been up for short stays.

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