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Commercial Beer Reviews / Re: Odell brews
« on: May 25, 2011, 08:13:58 PM »
Anybody know what hops are used in the regular IPA?

I'd be down for trying to work out a clone recipe. Label says it's 7.0% ABV, I'm guessing that's about a 16.5 OG and 3.5 FG. About 6-7 SRM, so I'm betting it's just pale base malt and a little light crystal. Bitter but not crazy, I'd say 50-60 IBU.

Hop-wise, I'd say there's some Simcoe late, but beyond that I'm not sure. Maybe Amarillo? I get tangerine in the nose.

Edit: Now that it's warmed up a little, I'm picking up some Centennial as well.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Selling.....maybe?
« on: May 25, 2011, 01:48:50 PM »
So has the guy opened 4 or 5 because they were so successful or because they failed one after another?

IIRC they're all still in operation. I'll ask next time I'm in there.

This might be enough kegs.  Skotrat's barn...

:o That's more kegs than our brewery owns.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Selling.....maybe?
« on: May 25, 2011, 11:02:27 AM »
I think the best business model for a (very) small brewpub I've personally seen is Colorado Boy in Ridgway. They have one type of food (pizza now, used to be sandwiches) and run the entire bar with one bartender and one cook. When they were doing sandwiches, the bartender made them up before the bar opened, and they only had one employee in the building at a time.

The owner, Tom, has also put together a DVD on how to open a brewery on the cheap (this is something like his fourth or fifth). It's a good resource and well worth the money for anyone thinking about it.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Selling.....maybe?
« on: May 25, 2011, 10:14:51 AM »
The successful breweries around (Ninkasi, for instance) brew at any time of day, not just during the day.

While that's certainly true of many production facilities, you definitely don't *have* to brew two or three shifts to turn a profit.

Extract/Partial Mash Brewing / Re: Inconsistent gravity readings.
« on: May 25, 2011, 08:30:13 AM »
The simple way to get a good gravity reading is to take it after you've aerated your wort, assuming you're oxygenating your brew by rocking or stirring your fermentor.

If you're brewing with extract, I think the simplest way is just to calculate it and not worry about taking a reading at all.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Selling.....maybe?
« on: May 24, 2011, 07:48:55 PM »
It is a government mandated skimming operation (in addition to the government's own skimming via alcohol taxes).

To keep statements like that in context, it's important to remember that 33 states (last I checked) allow self-distribution.

OK, so now you're looking at a business plan and a number of barrels that are needed to make it work, at a MINIMUM. What that number is, I don't know. 10? 20 a day?

For a brewpub it's much less than that. Half a barrel a day will keep the doors open no problem.

I've heard of some breweries that follow a one day per degree Plato rule of thumb (for ales). In general though, I think experience will be your best guide. It seems like you have a pretty good handle on the conditioning times you like, so go with those.

Ingredients / Re: Pitching temperature
« on: May 24, 2011, 03:31:09 PM »
It depends. If you're pitching and then very quickly (within a couple hours) getting the wort to your desired fermentation temperatures, they won't make much of a difference. If it takes a day for the temperature to stabilize, then the pitching temperature could be critical.

All Grain Brewing / Re: All Grain Efficancy
« on: May 24, 2011, 03:28:47 PM »
I just can't believe that m is leading in the poll.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Selling.....maybe?
« on: May 24, 2011, 07:26:05 AM »
Cleaning is a bit tricky if you don't own an actual keg cleaner (which I plan on purchasing eventually, but they costs about $15,000 for the one I want). ... Takes about 4-5 hours to clean/sanitize about 60 kegs.

:o It's all about perspective. I can clean maybe 5-6 kegs/hour since we have to pull the stems (in the sixtels, for half-barrels we just debung them).

All Grain Brewing / Re: Spent grain
« on: May 22, 2011, 08:07:16 PM »
This month in" Brew Your Own" magazine has some recipes for pizza dough, cinnamon rolls, and dog treats.

It's in Zymurgy, actually. This being the AHA forum and all. ;)

I make bread with it, but that only takes up about 2 cups per brewday. The rest gets thrown away or (now) composted.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Selling.....maybe?
« on: May 22, 2011, 06:15:47 PM »
The break-even points will be a little different for everyone, but I was looking at a very small brewery operation and determined that it just can't be profitable. At a bare minimum, you need about a 1-1.5 bbl system just to amortize the capital costs within a few years.

Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Missing FG???
« on: May 21, 2011, 07:12:47 PM »
I faill to see the relevance of the recipe or yeast type.

Do you have any experience brewing? Different recipes will have different FGs, and even fermenting the same recipe with a different yeast will alter the FG.

Regardless, somewhere along the line you input an expected attenuation into BeerSmith, which it is using to calculate the expected FG. It doesn't "know" anything about your beer, so it can't make a prediction.

There are some pretty experienced brewers on this forum, on the other hand, so if you'd tell us the recipe we *could* make a prediction.

You only need two points to describe a line in 3-space. Of course, you have to define your axes, or "vertical" is a meaningless qualifier.

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