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Homebrew Competitions / Re: NHC
« on: February 07, 2014, 09:32:51 AM »
I see 23 largely bearded and carrying a few extra lbs homebrewers on stage tied for first place.  Janis turns around and throws the Ninkasi bouquet over her shoulder; hilarity ensues. 
That would be even BETTER than a steel cage match!

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: NHC
« on: February 07, 2014, 09:21:52 AM »
I will say that I'd like to see any random selection methods avoided at all costs. 
I agree. Winning by a coin toss will take away some of the coolness. If I were the winner, I'd rather they just declare it a tie. Or at least recognize all the tied winners and use the coin toss to pick who gets the trophy, but officially call it a tie. It'll work out - in the end we're all making beer!

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: NHC
« on: February 07, 2014, 07:21:40 AM »
It does make sense though. Two way tie with four golds each, except one of them only sent four and the other had one that was a 13...
I agree it's a fine tiebreaker. But this year the other will not have sent 13. Far more likely to have 4 golds each, and they each sent the max of 5 beers.

Edit: If you send 5 beers to NHC and win 4 gold medals, you're OK in my book.

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Equipment and Software / Re: I've got an idea for an experiment
« on: February 07, 2014, 07:19:46 AM »
I've heard that a watched pot never boils.
But an unwatched pot boils over. It's a catch 22.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: DMS causes
« on: February 07, 2014, 07:10:54 AM »
I plugged your grist, RO water, and salt additions (I guessed at amounts, but went with mimimal calcium - 50ppm) into Brewers Friend and got a mash pH of 5.3 - I'm guessing that's the cause of the tartness. Calcium additions with no alkalinity will lower mash pH and subsequently wort and beer pH.
 
http://www.brewersfriend.com/mash-chemistry-and-brewing-water-calculator/

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: NHC
« on: February 05, 2014, 02:09:25 PM »
Better get that cage built for Grand Rapids.  I'm already training.
Unfortunately, after thinking about those rules for a day and doing some math in my head, I've decided that most of the tiebreakers will be almost useless under this year's entry limits. Not completely useless, but almost. For example, the last one about tallying total first round entries - most will be entering the similar numbers of beers this year.

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Cows won't eat it if it is bad for them.
Cows may not like hops and trub, but if that statement were true cows would never get sick from feed.

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The BA should draft comments that address the low probability of harm. IMO the comments would be better off requesting lowering the bar for brewers rather than trying to win complete exclusion from the rule. It's hard to get the FDA to grant exclusions when they want sweeping authority. Easier to win relaxed rules where the level of authority matches the level of risk.

I think BA could make a good argument for spent grains being very low risk. There is minimal processing (it's just grain mixed with hot water then drained), it's entirely food grade for human consumption already, and nothing is being added to the spent grain to enhance its value as an animal food.

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Beer Recipes / Re: Inspired By (clone) Names
« on: February 05, 2014, 09:17:44 AM »
Yup! Sierra Nevada... Donner Pass... Celebration... Party.... Donner Party. Kind of like a crossword clue. And MacBeth is a Scottish story written by Shakespeare... Shakespeare Stout with WY1728... MacBeth.
Wow. Sounds like the thought process needed to find my jokes funny.

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For the record, I'm addressing the 'This is a big-beer move' and trying to provide context, not defending FDA's desire to regulate spent grain. Your concerns sound very similar to the concerns I've heard from small animal and produce farms. Chance of contamination is extremely low and production is overseen by people very knowledgeable about the process who'd quickly recognize a problem and know how to correct it. 
 
Anyone know if the Brewers Association is submitting a comment?

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Questions about the forum? / Re: Anyone else?
« on: February 05, 2014, 08:10:01 AM »
Did you reset your password? Maybe it reset it for the wrong account, in which case they could delete this one and reset the password for the other one.

If you look at the member list, almost all accounts created before 2012 have a duplicate. Me, bluesman, morticai ... denny has three!

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Did not it say if I sell my spend grain.
Does it mean if I give it away for free I am fine?

The proposed rules include reduced requirements for small operations (<$500,000 in animal feed sales), but the government is generally hip to that jive. No exemption if you give it away.
 
I wonder if these rules are coming up because of the tainted dog food, treats, or whatever that was a few months back.
Yes and no. These changes have been in the works for years, so not specifically the ones a few months back. But yes, these rules are due to many food contamination problems in the past decade - pet food, produce, meat, peanut butter, etc.

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They would be more concerned with contamination caused by feed produced in an industrial setting. There are plenty of things in a brewery that cows should not eat.

 Give me an example what you are talking about that could be potentially harmful to cows, let alone humans.

Caustic cleaners, acids, glycol - all not good to eat. Dogfish Head was evacuated last year because of a leaking 300 gallon tank of nitric acid. Are these likely to contaminate spent grains? Certainly not in most cases, but FDA's business is preventing rare events.
 
Mostly, the rule will require breweries to have a written hazards analysis for spent grain. They'll have to document how they handle and store grain between brewing and delivery to the farmer, what possible hazards exist that could contaminate grain, how they will prevent contamination, and what their procedure will be if contamination occurs.
 
This regulation covers all manufactured animal food, not just spend grain. Spent grain is a very small blip in the radar of a set of new FDA regulations that cover human food, animal food, produce, and food importers.
 
 
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FDA’s proposed rule on Current Good Manufacturing Practices (CGMPs) and preventive controls for food for animals focuses on preventing problems in order to improve the safety of these products. The preventive controls provisions of the proposed rule, which are required by the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, would apply to domestic and imported animal food, including pet food, animal feed, and raw materials and ingredients. Facilities producing animal food would be required to have written plans that identify hazards, specify the steps that will be put in place to minimize or prevent those hazards, identify monitoring procedures and record monitoring results, and specify what actions would be taken to correct problems that arise. The proposed rule would also establish certain Current Good Manufacturing Practices (CGMPs) that specifically address animal food.
 
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The proposed rule would establish for the first time Current Good Manufacturing Practices that specifically address the manufacturing, processing, packing, and holding of animal food. FDA considered it important to establish CGMPs for animal food as prerequisite requirements to ensure that these products are manufactured under conditions and practices that protect against contamination. The proposed rule also would establish Hazard Analysis and Risk-based Preventive Controls for Food for Animals to implement the provisions in section 103 of the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act. The new requirements would be called “Current Good Manufacturing Practice and Hazard Analysis and Risk-Based Preventive Controls for Food for Animals.”

You can read all about it for yourself.
http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceRegulation/FSMA/ucm366510.htm
 
But trust me, FDA is not reading this forum. Submit your comments here.
http://www.regulations.gov/#!submitComment;D=FDA-2011-N-0922-0019

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They would be more concerned with contamination caused by feed produced in an industrial setting. There are plenty of things in a brewery that cows should not eat.

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Beer Recipes / Re: Inspired By (clone) Names
« on: February 04, 2014, 02:30:30 PM »
I currently enjoying a keg of Steve Urquell.
For the win!

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