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Going Pro / Re: CSB (Community Supported Breweries)
« on: December 08, 2013, 08:03:03 PM »
I wonder if there is a legal distinction being made between selling 'beer' and selling a 'membership'.
Probably not, I'm guessing. If money and beer change hands, any well written law would consider it a sale regardless of time lapse. Whether it's legal to sell a beer membership probably depends mostly on state law.

I'm not sure if your comment was triggered by mine that they didn't sell beer. But Burlington's kickstarter sold swag only. The CSB is sold directly through the brewery.

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Going Pro / Re: CSB (Community Supported Breweries)
« on: December 08, 2013, 11:32:12 AM »
Since Kickstarter's been mentioned. I'll mention my friends at the new Mispillion River Brewing company in Delaware. They have an indiegogo campaign and one of their options is your name engraved on a barstool at the bar for $500. They've sold five so far - not bad.
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mispillion-river-brewing
Also mort, in case you didn't know. Joe (Burlington Beer) had a kickstarter that just closed and raised $25,000.

I'd be curious to see how long that lasts because as far as I know each state regulates the sale of alcohol and it's doubtful this site has licensing to sell beer through each state.
Neither of them sold beer

- Sent by my R2 unit


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Going Pro / Re: CSB (Community Supported Breweries)
« on: December 07, 2013, 07:37:46 PM »
Since Kickstarter's been mentioned. I'll mention my friends at the new Mispillion River Brewing company in Delaware. They have an indiegogo campaign and one of their options is your name engraved on a barstool at the bar for $500. They've sold five so far - not bad.
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mispillion-river-brewing
Also mort, in case you didn't know. Joe (Burlington Beer) had a kickstarter that just closed and raised $25,000.

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Going Pro / Re: CSB (Community Supported Breweries)
« on: December 06, 2013, 12:42:58 PM »
Burlington Beer Company is one I am watching. Going to stop by there if they are open next time I'm home.

Of course, when I say a 'years worth of beer' I mean some beer each month through out the year. a 'Years worth' can mean a lot of different things to different people.
True. And I think it's a very small pool of people who'd prepay for an actual year's worth of beer and want it to be all from the same brewery.

I'd join a CSB for a new brewery to support them. For a CBS at an established brewery I'd want to feel I was getting something in return. Access to special releases, discounts off regular prices, etc.

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Going Pro / Re: CSB (Community Supported Breweries)
« on: December 06, 2013, 09:56:32 AM »
Warning - basically brain vomit...

A friend of mine is opening a CSB in Vermont called Burlington Beer Company. CSB members get a series of limited release specialty beers through the year, so it's not even close to a year's worth of beer. I think the benefit of this style CSB (for the brewery) is in identifying and building relationships with customers than providing funding for the brewery. Although I'm sure it does mitigate some risk and money upfront is always preferable.

Around here anyway, CSA mostly provide a set volume of food/week. During a good year, the farms may give some bonuses members, but they sell a lot of it too. Likewise, when a farm can't meet it's commitment, members get very frustrated. But farms operate on a cycle that breweries don't have to worry about. They pay expenses in the spring, work through a long growing season, and then get paid when the crop matures. There are few ways around this, but the CSA provides a way to get paid when the farm is putting out expenses. An established brewery produces year round, so it won't benefit as much from the cash flow advantage. Still, it might help it get started when no money is coming in.

I don't think a CSB would be a good way to fund equipment/facility expenses. It's basically a loan from your customers, but it's a loan that will be paid off within the year. So I think it's wise to use it for certain expenses like ingredients, not for expenses you'd rather have years to pay off, like fermenters. It might encourage investors to see CSB memberships, but I wonder if the time you're looking for investors is long before the time you're looking for CSB members (which would be sold when the brewery is almost or is open).

I'm surprised that I haven't seen a Kickstarter where people could pre-purchase beer from a yet-to-be-opened brewery. Then again, you might need controls to prevent everyone from redeeming their purchase in the first weeks after you've opened. The last thing you want after going through the expense of building a brewery is to be giving away large portions of your first batches (ie paying back those loans) at a time when you're cash flow is probably poor. Not that it can't, or shouldn't be done. It's just I think a CSB owner would have to carefully plan what the money goes towards and how repayment will affect sales.

Then again, if I owned a brewery and somebody asked if I'd rather be paid today or last month...

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Beer Recipes / Re: Coconut porter recipe?
« on: December 05, 2013, 09:29:31 PM »
That coconut needs to find it's way into a cake or pie.

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Another thread about plastic buckets (sorry)
« on: December 05, 2013, 09:28:13 PM »
This was my favorite forum 10yrs ago, nice to see things haven't changed much ;)

That's interesting, given that this forum has only been around a few years.
Maybe fistfullofhops is using a blue computer.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Dealing With Non-Homebrewers
« on: December 05, 2013, 07:51:46 AM »
And when I go to their house, all they offer me is Icehouse.  And if I bring my own Red Hook, they start drinking that. 

That qualifies for a "hey! WTF!"

Direct action sometimes needs to be taken.

LOL, I prefer "Come on, man" and then I say "no thanks, you got any milk"."
or "I brought my own" and pull out a bottle of water.

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All Things Food / Re: My new Love affair with Pho
« on: December 05, 2013, 07:14:09 AM »
Amazon has them.
I just envisioned Amazon's new drone delivered Pho service.

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Dry Yeast for English Style Barleywine?
« on: December 04, 2013, 09:27:04 AM »
I've used it several times in the low-mid 60's and have been very happy. I also used it last summer with no temperature control and it was a mess. The beer was loaded with ugly bready/buttery flavors. It's one of the only beers I've dumped.

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Equipment and Software / Re: Winter Fermentation Chamber
« on: December 04, 2013, 07:50:20 AM »
I roll my eyes when I hear about people loosing food during a winter storm because they lost power to the refrigerator. It's cold outside and nature is literally throwing ice at you. Put your perishables in the garage! I do it all the time when I make a huge meal like chili. Even if there was room in the fridge (which there probably isn't) I'd just be putting a big hot mass in there and then paying to chill it.

Anyway - son of a fermentation chiller is basically what you're talking about. It uses frozen water bottles but could easily be rigged to use outside air.

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Another thread about plastic buckets (sorry)
« on: December 04, 2013, 06:36:54 AM »
You certainly can ferment in three buckets. I think most people just prefer 2 because of space and also we hold on to 5 gallons as some magical number. If you keg, 5 gallons goes into one keg. With three fermenters, 1.5 will go into a keg. But really, if it works for you - why not?

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Kegging and Bottling / Re: Aging in a keg
« on: December 03, 2013, 08:04:38 AM »
You can certainly age in a keg. It's a nice, fully enclosed, air free container. The beer doesn't care if it's glass or stainless steel.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Dishwashing detergent
« on: December 03, 2013, 07:59:31 AM »
I think drying agents are a problem and cascade uses them to keep glasses from spotting. Of course, spots are not good either. Maybe an oxyclean rinse?

Have you tried putting the second pour in a new glass? Just making sure it's the detergent and not beer that's been sitting in the line.

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Other Fermentables / Re: Cider Tapping
« on: December 02, 2013, 02:41:22 PM »
 :)  Sounds great

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