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Time for the White Stout movement to start up.   ::)

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Homebrew Clubs / Re: Insurance
« on: June 26, 2014, 11:47:48 AM »
Yeah the $3.50 per a member price that Crispy announced would end up being about $300.00 less a year than what we're paying for all of our insurance as well.  Kudos to those that were able to get this program lined up.  Looking forward to it getting rolled out.

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: NHC Homebrew Competition Presentation
« on: June 23, 2014, 07:07:28 PM »
How many judges do you think you can get? Also how many Sessions are you planning for Friday and Saturday?

Planning 1 session with 30 judges, so assume 15 tables with worse case 10 beers per flight would be 150 max.

Really trying control as much as possible to ensure first one goes off smooth, so if we get 150 entries and it goes perfect, we happy.

Part of an event were we have to be done at set time for an awards ceremony.
 
Thoughts?

30 judges for 150 entries should be enough but doing it in one single shot is what might make it tricky.

Few things come to mind:
  • What Amanda said.  There are always a few that don't show or cancel shortly before.  Count on it.
  • Also consider that you will probably not have flights that are divided by 10 so if you have a flight of 25 entries you'll have to make a choice of assigning 2 sets of judges (13 & 12) or 3 sets (9, 8, & 8 ).
  • I'm assuming that you'll have to do a Best of Show flight at the end.  Make sure the BoS judges are not on a judging flight of with more than 8 entries otherwise they will be fried for BoS.

If you're tight for time on the judging day I'd suggest doing a couple of flights on a week night at someone's home.  That should help you knock out 20 to 30 entries and help to take the pressure off a bit.

Aside from judging, if you haven't already recruit someone to compile the scores as the flights conclude and the sheets come in.  Get someone to stuff the score sheets in envelopes as well.  That will help with your turn around time before the awards ceremony and the entrants at the ceremony can get their sheets right away (which saves on postage).

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: NHC Homebrew Competition Presentation
« on: June 20, 2014, 04:55:11 PM »
How many judges do you think you can get? Also how many Sessions are you planning for Friday and Saturday?

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: NHC Homebrew Competition Presentation
« on: June 19, 2014, 08:19:31 AM »
We found that the three per a day works really well.  Our first year we tried four on a Friday night so judges had a shot at getting three sessions in and it was a disaster.  The day was really long and it sucked the life out of the organizing staff. 

We couldn't go this in depth during the presentation but there is a copy of the judging schedule for this past year.  It shows how we did the early week night session (to kick out the cobwebs), scheduled three sessions per a day on Friday and Saturday, and how we scheduled flights (so not to blow out palates).  Please pay no attention to the number of Stewards per a table.  That's a combo of Stewards and beer runners.

http://www.bbbrew.com/downloads/2014MidwinterTableSchedule.pdf

One thing that we failed to point out, we usually throw in some sort of incentive for those that volunteer to judge or work three sessions.  Check out our Volunteer page under Beer & Mead Paired Dinner (scroll down).  We knew we would normally have to feed folks so we took the money we normally would have budgeted for that meal and turned it into an incentive.  http://midwinterhbc.com/volunteers  Attendees still had to kick in $35 for the meal, but everyone felt it was well worth it.  We even got some folks to sign up as Stewards and Office Staff just so they could get the discount.  FYI - The Sprecher APA and the MKE Baltic Porter got changed out at the last minute with Central Waters Hop Rise and Central Waters Bourbon Barrel Stout respectively.  Folks were taking the ice cream that came with the deep fried apple pie and were making stout floats. 

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: NHC Homebrew Competition Presentation
« on: June 19, 2014, 06:58:48 AM »
Glad you enjoyed the presentation.  I thought a few folks would challenge me on some of the items in there but so far nothing. 

It hasn't helped me win a medal at Midwinter or German Fest  ??? so I'm doubting it will help others.   :D

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Homebrew Competitions / NHC Homebrew Competition Presentation
« on: June 16, 2014, 09:20:11 AM »
Hi all.  Below is a link to the presentation Brian and I did in Grand Rapids last week.  The AHA will eventually post the presentation with the audio but I thought it might be a good idea to post the presentation here and generate some discussion.  I'm sure there will be some agreeing and disagreeing.  All I ask is that we keep it clean and productive.    :D

http://www.bbbrew.com/downloads/2014NHCHomebrewCompetitionPresentation.pdf

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: AHA Collecting Scores
« on: May 23, 2014, 08:22:07 AM »
Not if they are entered digitally from the start!

That's what I'm thinking.  Wouldn't it be so much easier if you could look at the ID and/or beer name on the slip banded to the beer, select it from the list of beers in that category, and then fill in a form that adds up to a score. 

I can see that adding in comments will be harder in a digital environment, but we could allow for an audio comment that would make it even easier than writing it out longhand.

I entered my first comp and just got the scores back last week.  All I got was a single score for each beer.  Not helpful at all to improve my brewing.

Swan
Scores are nice to see but in my opinion they really only tell an entrant if the judges thought the entry was on the low, mid range, or high end of the Scoring Guide group (Poor, Fair, Good, Very Good, Excellent, Outstanding) that it finished in.  What's really important about a homebrew competition is the feedback that you're supposed to receive about the entry.  Unfortunately all that was received here was a score and no feedback.  Being a first time entrant it's tough to figure out which comps to enter and which ones don't meet your needs.  I'd suggest checking out the competition sections on the AHA, Brewing Network, and Homebrew Talk forms to see what folks are posting about the different competitions.  One thing about the forum world, they seldom hold back any punches.  I'd also suggest Googling the competition name to see if folks have blogged about their experience with a particular competition.  Finally if you belong to a homebrew club ask around to find out what others think about a particular competition.

Tiny soap box - Introducing electronic devices and voice recognition software to the judging portion of a competition would be a huge challenge.  I'm a National judge, coordinated several competitions, and for 5 years implemented electronic medical records systems in clinics.  Part of those implementations involved teaching Doctors, Nurse Practitioners, Nurses, and Medical Assistants how to prescribe medications and submit dictations using electronic devices.  They were all moving out of the world of paper medical charts and into the world of the electronic one, which is pretty close to what we would be attempting here. One, the learning curve for these professionals was huge and they all have a background of some kind of formal training.  Second, the start up and maintenance costs would blow any competition budget.  There would have to be some sort of standard device with a standard software image in order to reduce the user learning curve and troubleshooting support.  Bring your own device in my mind is not an option because different devices, different operating systems, different operating system versions, anti virus, and keeping software versions up to date would be a maintenance nightmare.  Off my soap box.  I now return you to the previously discussed topic.

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: AHA Collecting Scores
« on: May 20, 2014, 09:10:38 AM »
That's what the BJCP is for, not the AHA.

What site does the BJCP use to track homebrewers' competition results?  I'm not finding it with a google search.

Thx for the help,
Swan
The BJCP does not track the results of competitions nor does it collect any scoring data. 

Brew Competition Online Entry & Management does have a filed to capture a participant's AHA number.  For non-NHC competitions it's an optional field in the event there is a Pro-Am associated with the competition. 

For the NHC version of the software the field is still there but it might be optional in the BCOE&M screen because AHA membership validation takes place in an earlier screen.

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Events / Re: Pro Brewers "NIGHT"
« on: April 14, 2014, 12:36:18 PM »
The height was funny, but what really struck me was HOW LONG the stream kept shooting up.  It seemed to just keep going and going and going.  We laughed, cracked a joke or two, and then we were like 'okay, someone should really get on that'.

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Events / Re: Pro Brewers "NIGHT"
« on: April 14, 2014, 11:06:33 AM »
Except for MPLS / St. Paul in 2010 when Brian didn't clamp his jockey box lines and half of his Bock blew in the box and the back wall of the hall.   :o  He felt better though last year after seeing the Lagunitas keg gush 10 feet into the air for what seemed to be an extremely long time.

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: NHC
« on: April 13, 2014, 09:21:25 PM »
Hey guys,

If a beer advanced to a mini Best Of Show round, WTF does that mean and when do you find out the results?!

Based on how the question was worded I'm assuming that you got your score sheets back and that you see the Mini-BoS check box filled in.  Large categories are judged by multiple sets of judges.  When all of the entries in the category have been judged the best scoring entries from each set of judges (usually 2 per a set of judges) moves on to the Mini-BoS.  From the entries that move on to the Mini-BoS the eventual first, second, and third place winners are chosen.

So if you cover sheet had the Mini-BoS box checked but no place was awarded that means your entry was one of the finalists for the category but it didn't finish first, second, or third.

Additional details about Mini-BoS can be found here - http://www.bjcp.org/docs/MiniBOS.pdf 

Hope this helps.

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Events / Re: Pro Brewers "NIGHT"
« on: April 09, 2014, 10:39:49 PM »
I like club night when the clubs aren't beer dumping. If they only have five great beers, then serve five. No need to bring 20 when 15 are less than stellar. IMO I should not have to dump a club night beer because it has major flaws. YMMV.
We're meeting the week before to taste all of the beers.  Everyone knows those that blow won't be served at Club Night.  Unfortunately we won't know the fate of the cask conditioned brews until they are tapped at Club Night.   8)

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: question for comp organizers/staff
« on: April 09, 2014, 10:32:35 PM »
On a somewhat related topic, does anybody else feel that it should not be against the rules to have the style number written on the caps?  I leave it on in spite of the rules for two reasons: 1) it verifies that the cellar people don't mix up the entries I send in and 2) in every competition in this state, a label immediately goes onto the cap.
Assuming the use of BCOE&M, for our competitions we print 3/4 circle labels numbered 1 through whatever.  We use these sheets - http://www.planetlabel.com/labels/product/inkjet-laser/white-uncoated-3-4-diameter-circle1

Each number is printed 5 times but we only use 4 of the 5.  Assuming two bottles, one round labels goes on each bottle cap and the other two labels go on the bottle necks.  We use these because 1) whatever is on the cap is covered up, 2) the longer address label types cause issues with getting the cap off in the event it's a gusher, and 3) if the label is on the neck it's above any kind of water line in the cooler when chilling. 

We also print one copy of the bar code labels with the same number range as the round labels.  When we put the bar code label on the bottle label that came with the bottle so we can use a scanner to mark the entry as received.  Obviously the number on the round label is the same as the one on the bar code label. 

Using the labels this way also rids the bottle of the entry number that the entrant sees.  The judge only sees the random number that we assigned.

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Homebrew Competitions / Re: question for comp organizers/staff
« on: April 09, 2014, 09:54:23 PM »
I received my scores today and the sheets say I took second place in one category.  Does this mean I'm moving forward in the competition?


Phil

Per the competition website - "First, second and third place entries that score 30 or above from each of the First Round judging centers receive ribbons from the AHA and qualify for entry into the National Homebrew Competition Final Round. Final Round qualifying entrants will be contacted with information on submitting entries."


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