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Events / Re: Pro Brewers "NIGHT"
« on: April 14, 2014, 07:36:18 PM »
The height was funny, but what really struck me was HOW LONG the stream kept shooting up.  It seemed to just keep going and going and going.  We laughed, cracked a joke or two, and then we were like 'okay, someone should really get on that'.

Events / Re: Pro Brewers "NIGHT"
« on: April 14, 2014, 06:06:33 PM »
Except for MPLS / St. Paul in 2010 when Brian didn't clamp his jockey box lines and half of his Bock blew in the box and the back wall of the hall.   :o  He felt better though last year after seeing the Lagunitas keg gush 10 feet into the air for what seemed to be an extremely long time.

Homebrew Competitions / Re: NHC
« on: April 14, 2014, 04:21:25 AM »
Hey guys,

If a beer advanced to a mini Best Of Show round, WTF does that mean and when do you find out the results?!

Based on how the question was worded I'm assuming that you got your score sheets back and that you see the Mini-BoS check box filled in.  Large categories are judged by multiple sets of judges.  When all of the entries in the category have been judged the best scoring entries from each set of judges (usually 2 per a set of judges) moves on to the Mini-BoS.  From the entries that move on to the Mini-BoS the eventual first, second, and third place winners are chosen.

So if you cover sheet had the Mini-BoS box checked but no place was awarded that means your entry was one of the finalists for the category but it didn't finish first, second, or third.

Additional details about Mini-BoS can be found here - 

Hope this helps.

Events / Re: Pro Brewers "NIGHT"
« on: April 10, 2014, 05:39:49 AM »
I like club night when the clubs aren't beer dumping. If they only have five great beers, then serve five. No need to bring 20 when 15 are less than stellar. IMO I should not have to dump a club night beer because it has major flaws. YMMV.
We're meeting the week before to taste all of the beers.  Everyone knows those that blow won't be served at Club Night.  Unfortunately we won't know the fate of the cask conditioned brews until they are tapped at Club Night.   8)

Homebrew Competitions / Re: question for comp organizers/staff
« on: April 10, 2014, 05:32:35 AM »
On a somewhat related topic, does anybody else feel that it should not be against the rules to have the style number written on the caps?  I leave it on in spite of the rules for two reasons: 1) it verifies that the cellar people don't mix up the entries I send in and 2) in every competition in this state, a label immediately goes onto the cap.
Assuming the use of BCOE&M, for our competitions we print 3/4 circle labels numbered 1 through whatever.  We use these sheets -

Each number is printed 5 times but we only use 4 of the 5.  Assuming two bottles, one round labels goes on each bottle cap and the other two labels go on the bottle necks.  We use these because 1) whatever is on the cap is covered up, 2) the longer address label types cause issues with getting the cap off in the event it's a gusher, and 3) if the label is on the neck it's above any kind of water line in the cooler when chilling. 

We also print one copy of the bar code labels with the same number range as the round labels.  When we put the bar code label on the bottle label that came with the bottle so we can use a scanner to mark the entry as received.  Obviously the number on the round label is the same as the one on the bar code label. 

Using the labels this way also rids the bottle of the entry number that the entrant sees.  The judge only sees the random number that we assigned.

Homebrew Competitions / Re: question for comp organizers/staff
« on: April 10, 2014, 04:54:23 AM »
I received my scores today and the sheets say I took second place in one category.  Does this mean I'm moving forward in the competition?


Per the competition website - "First, second and third place entries that score 30 or above from each of the First Round judging centers receive ribbons from the AHA and qualify for entry into the National Homebrew Competition Final Round. Final Round qualifying entrants will be contacted with information on submitting entries."

Homebrew Competitions / Re: question for comp organizers/staff
« on: March 25, 2014, 05:51:38 PM »
Personally I'm fine with whatever one needs to do to get the bottles there intact. Stopping short of using trash or dirty laundry though. Hosting first round of the NHC last year we had a lot of bottles show up broken. Got to a point where the UPS and FedEx delivery folks were getting a little grumpy with the Northern Brewer store that everything was being delivered to. Does the unpackaging get a little harder yeah, but if it keeps our partner in the good graces with the delivery folks I'm okay with that.

I like the idea of shipping entries with the category number on the caps. Easy for the stewards to black out or put a label over. As an organizer though I would probably go with what is on the label though if there was a discrepancy between the cap and label.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: AHA Governing Committee Elections
« on: March 25, 2014, 05:23:05 PM »
I will make time.  Vote to keep an not so old guy's multitasking skills sharp.  ::)

Sending this poolside in Puerto Rico btw.  8)

Homebrew Competitions / Re: Thoughts/Opinions
« on: March 10, 2014, 03:29:24 PM »

Amen my brother!

Homebrew Competitions / Re: Thoughts/Opinions
« on: March 09, 2014, 06:47:25 PM »
Based on the numbers provided in the initial post of this thread I'm pretty confident that I judged and won a first place medal in the competition that was being referenced.  I also would have been on the mini-bos panel that awarded 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, place entries for two categories and been on the Mead / Cider BoS panel as well.  I am not a member of the club that hosted the competition but I do know several of the members, organizers, and some of the history of the competition. 

The host club has several talented brewers.  In addition to doing very well every year in their own competition they also did very well at several of the other competitions that I coordinate.  Many of the club members brew specifically for this competition, which is probably why the entry limit was hit so quickly.  It's also a very well run competition and draws in several judges from out of the host club's state. 

Nothing to be curious about here.  These guys and gals just have game.

I think you can also take the BJCP scheduled exams as well without attending the conference.  Follow up with Sandy though -

Homebrew Competitions / Re: Fifth Annual Midwinter Home Brew Competition
« on: February 25, 2014, 03:45:48 PM »
Your standards of Rock Stardum are pretty low.   ;)

Thanks for the kudo.  Only so much about the Barons and homebrewing that Patrick and I could talk about in four 2 minute bursts.  We didn't know until that morning that the reporter's step Dad had entered the competition so that was a nice tie in.

General Homebrew Discussion / Re: NHC Newb Question - bottle limitations
« on: February 17, 2014, 11:31:13 PM »
I rarely bottle, but when I do, I have used German half liters - great strong bottles, but not permitted in the NHC.  If Sam Adams is too light of a bottle, which commercial brewer uses a strong bottle as you have suggested?

I usually use the German half liters as well.  For competitions I personally use either New Glarus, Lakefront Brewery, or Milwaukee Brewing bottles but I have a feeling that this won't do you any good.  Dogfish head I think are pretty good as well.  I'd suggest you head down to your local store where you can get craft beer and check out what is available in your market.

Homebrew Competitions / Re: State Championships
« on: February 17, 2014, 11:14:35 PM »
Sounds like a lot of fun and great to hear.  The Barons used to run the WI State Fair Homebrew Competition but that was for homebrew only and I don't think it ever got any higher than 250 entries.  That competition only allowed WI entrants.  I know there are more state fairs out their that have several more entries.  I've also been to fests that have had a pro competition associated with it, but not as many entries as you're talking about.  Hope you have enough judges to cover all of those entries!

FYI - I'm currently in the Tampa area now.  Was supposed to go back to Milwaukee today but flight cancelled due to a snow storm.  Currently enjoying a Cigar City Maduro Brown Ale and later tonight some Jai Alai IPA.  I wouldn't call the state a wasteland.

My suggestion would be consider entering it as a 16E Belgian Specialty.

Here is a line from the comments section for 21A SHV - Note that many spice-based Belgian specialties may be entered in Category 16E.

Here are some lines from the comments section for 16E - This is a catch-all category for any Belgian-style beer not fitting any other Belgian style category. The category can be used for clones of specific beers (e.g., Orval, La Chouffe); to produce a beer fitting a broader style that doesn’t have its own category; or to create an artisanal or experimental beer of the brewer’s own choosing (e.g., strong Belgian golden ale with spices, something unique). Creativity is the only limit in brewing but the entrants must identify what is special about their entry. This category may be used as an “incubator” for recognized styles for which there is not yet a formal BJCP category.

What you are describing (witbier with elderflowers) sounds unique, experimental, and slightly artisanal. When you list your special ingredients I'd suggest stating just 'witbier brewed with elderflowers'. 

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