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Protein rest for Golden Promise?
« on: December 05, 2011, 06:55:05 AM »
Yes? No? Doing a pils.
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Re: Protein rest for Golden Promise?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2011, 11:48:17 AM »
I do, however, I do not think it is needed.   

All my beers follow a similar mash schedule...just to keep my habits up and I am familiar with my process. Since a few of my beers do better with a protein rest, I do it for all. 

I have tried golden promise in a few beers (not usually german's though) and I did not find a difference between with and without the protien rest.

So in my opinion, it is up to you!
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Re: Protein rest for Golden Promise?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2011, 12:16:55 PM »
Short answer: no, not needed.

Long answer?  It really depends what you want.  German breweries use protein rests to control the amount of FAN in their lagers and consequently to control fermentability.  See the article on German beers by Dan Gordon in the latest issue of Zymurgy for more information.  They are very scientific about it, and adjust the time from 5 to 20 minutes and the temperature from 52 - 62 celsius, so unless you do a lot of trial and error, you'll just be guessing about the effects.  But you don't need a protein rest for any highly modified malts, and Golden Promise is one of them.

One thing I would suggest for a Pilsner: use Pilsner malt  :)
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Re: Protein rest for Golden Promise?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2011, 01:59:29 PM »
Narvin beat me to it. 

British malts are designed for single infusion mashes.  No need for a protein rest.

The 4 times I have used Golden Promise, a 151F single infusion was used.

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Re: Protein rest for Golden Promise?
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2011, 02:01:11 PM »
One thing I would suggest for a Pilsner: use Pilsner malt  :)

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Re: Protein rest for Golden Promise?
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2011, 03:16:48 PM »
One thing I would suggest for a Pilsner: use Pilsner malt  :)

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Yup, agree. Someone gave me 10lbs. of golden promise, so I need to find something to make with it. Got any ideas?
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Re: Protein rest for Golden Promise?
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2011, 03:22:11 PM »
One thing I would suggest for a Pilsner: use Pilsner malt  :)

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Yup, agree. Someone gave me 10lbs. of golden promise, so I need to find something to make with it. Got any ideas?

A Scottish or Irish Ale. I use GP as the base malt for all of my Scotch and Irish style beers.
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Re: Protein rest for Golden Promise?
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2011, 04:15:36 PM »
One thing I would suggest for a Pilsner: use Pilsner malt  :)

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Yup, agree. Someone gave me 10lbs. of golden promise, so I need to find something to make with it. Got any ideas?

I posted my Timothy Taylor clone somewhere on the forum.  That is GP for the base malt.  Drinking one now.

A Scottish or Irish Ale. I use GP as the base malt for all of my Scotch and Irish style beers.
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Re: Protein rest for Golden Promise?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2011, 04:22:15 PM »
One thing I would suggest for a Pilsner: use Pilsner malt  :)

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Yup, agree. Someone gave me 10lbs. of golden promise, so I need to find something to make with it. Got any ideas?

A Scottish or Irish Ale. I use GP as the base malt for all of my Scotch and Irish style beers.

if you have lots of hops you could do a pretty nice bitter (ESB I would guess with 10lb) mash high with lots of late hops.

If you stick to just one hop you could do a pretty nice SMaSH
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Re: Protein rest for Golden Promise?
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2011, 04:51:03 PM »
This is what I am drinking.  With a 0.5 oz of styrian goldings as dry hops in a 5 gallon keg.

2011 Landlord Knockoff  10/31/2011

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (Gal):        10.50    Wort Size (Gal):   10.50
Total Grain (Lbs):       15.13
Anticipated OG:          1.042    Plato:             10.55
Anticipated SRM:          10.0
Anticipated IBU:          34.6
Brewhouse Efficiency:       78 %
Wort Boil Time:             90    Minutes

Formulas Used
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Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
% Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used:   Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Tinseth
Tinseth Concentration Factor: 1.00


Grain/Extract/Sugar

   %     Amount     Name                          Origin        Potential SRM
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 92.6    14.00 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row)              Great Britain  1.038      2
  6.6     1.00 lbs. Crystal 75L                   Great Britian  1.034     75
  0.8     0.13 lbs. Black Patent Malt             Great Britain  1.027    525

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.

Mash at 151 for 90 minutes.

Hops

   Amount     Name                              Form    Alpha  IBU  Boil Time
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  1.50 oz.    Goldings - E.K.                   Whole    5.20  14.7 90 min.
  1.50 oz.    Styrian Goldings                  Whole    5.25  14.9  90 min.
  1.50 oz.    Styrian Goldings                  Whole    5.25   5.0  10 min.
  2.00 oz.    Styrian Goldings                  Whole    5.25   0.0  Dry Hop


Yeast
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Wyeast 1469 West Yorkshire

Fermentation temp is a question.  Might start it at 66 F and let it free rise to 70F.
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