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Re: A new trend...?
« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2011, 04:23:34 AM »
I would think for the most part, cans were symbolic of the BMC beers, while bottles represented more of a craft beer feeling of quality.  Breweries like Surly have been breaking through that stigma.  Admittedly, bottles are more elegant IMHO.

Strangely, I've never had that mentality with Guinness draught widget cans.

Here in Italy, the mentality is that small bottles tend to be lower quality beer and 750 ml champagne bottles are higher quality beer.  That's not to say you don't find 33cl Chimay's, Leffes, etc, but for maketing it seems to be the case.  Most of the artisanal beers I see here are in 750ml's and most mass produced beers are smaller sizes like 0.5l and 33cl.

The light factor gives cans an advantage.  But yeah, I can't re-use cans for homebrewing.  Ultimately, I pour mine into a glass too, so as long as it's good beer ...  :)

Although can's aren't nearly as helpful in a bar fight.  :D

You've tried Grado Plato and San Gabriel right? I wondered why we could only get those in 750s.
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Re: A new trend...?
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2011, 05:43:19 AM »
The last few start-up breweries in Chicago are only canning. And the Revolution brewpub is working on a production brewery that will have a canning line. They did announce they're going to have bombers of some of their barrel aged beers, though.
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Re: A new trend...?
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2011, 06:27:25 AM »
The cost of cans has a couple of barbs.  For Sun King in Indy and other craft brewers, the biggest problem is that they can't just slap a new label on their stock of bottles when they want to push out a new seasonal or specialty.  They usually have to buy a gazillion cans printed with the new beer's labeling.  That makes it far less appealing to have a canning line if you want to be creative and put out small runs of beer.  In the case of SN, they have 5 beers that are constantly brewed and another 5 that have big enough production to use cans too.  

If I understand correctly, Sun King has been allowed by the ATF folks to create a generic Sun King can that they can apply another label with the actual beer's info.  That might make this can issue more appealing for craft brewers with smaller production.  I haven't seen any of these labeled cans on the shelves yet, so I don't know that its a reality.
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Re: A new trend...?
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2011, 06:31:15 AM »
If I looked in a cooler and saw my favorite craft beer in a can, I'd just look further. Glass for me, thank you.

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Re: A new trend...?
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2011, 06:33:30 AM »
Also, fermenting in the can?  It's been quite a few years since there has been yeast sediment on the bottom of my SN beers.  They are still bottle-conditioned?  (can-conditioned?)

Yes, Sierra still bottle conditions their beers. They have a warehouse devoted to bottle conditioning. It will sit out in the warehouse for a couple weeks before moving off to the store.
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Re: A new trend...?
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2011, 06:44:35 AM »
If I looked in a cooler and saw my favorite craft beer in a can, I'd just look further. Glass for me, thank you.

Why? Not trying to prod, I'm genuinely interested, as I'm trying to figure out whether to go bottles or cans right now. I slide between the two about once every two weeks.
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Re: A new trend...?
« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2011, 07:12:57 AM »
If I looked in a cooler and saw my favorite craft beer in a can, I'd just look further. Glass for me, thank you.

Why? Not trying to prod, I'm genuinely interested, as I'm trying to figure out whether to go bottles or cans right now. I slide between the two about once every two weeks.

When my tongue hits the edge of that can, all I taste is aluminum. Yes, I can pour it onto a glass and assuming the can is lined, then it won't be too bad, but I can still taste it. However, I've now ruined the convenience of having packaged beer.

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Re: A new trend...?
« Reply #37 on: December 14, 2011, 07:14:13 AM »
Our only instate small packaging micro brewery in Alabama has been in the can for going on 2 years now, and looks like another one of our local breweries is gearing up for canning coming this spring. I definitely don't think it is a "new trend" but one that has been gaining traction for years and years. I certainly never shy away from canned beer. As everyone else has mentioned, aside from freshness, the portability factor is awesome!
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Re: A new trend...?
« Reply #38 on: December 14, 2011, 07:17:46 AM »
If I looked in a cooler and saw my favorite craft beer in a can, I'd just look further. Glass for me, thank you.

Why? Not trying to prod, I'm genuinely interested, as I'm trying to figure out whether to go bottles or cans right now. I slide between the two about once every two weeks.

When my tongue hits the edge of that can, all I taste is aluminum. Yes, I can pour it onto a glass and assuming the can is lined, then it won't be too bad, but I can still taste it. However, I've now ruined the convenience of having packaged beer.

OTOH if you are back packing in 8+ miles and you get there and want a beer it sure does become a convenience to actually be able to have one. No way I would ever pack in glass, but cans I do all the time.  :)

That said, I still believe there is a prestige factor that is lost in cans. And bottle openers can be b****in' cool. And opening a corked belgian style bottle is a ritual I always enjoy.

yin and yang all around I guess.
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Re: A new trend...?
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2011, 07:19:17 AM »
As everyone else has mentioned, aside from freshness, the portability factor is awesome!

Portability is my main attraction to the cans. I hate that when I go golfing I can't buy a "good" beer on the golf course because they have to be in cans. Now I can get a few cans of torpedo on the course and maybe even Two Hearted this coming year  ;D

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Re: A new trend...?
« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2011, 07:59:50 AM »
As everyone else has mentioned, aside from freshness, the portability factor is awesome!

Portability is my main attraction to the cans. I hate that when I go golfing I can't buy a "good" beer on the golf course because they have to be in cans. Now I can get a few cans of torpedo on the course and maybe even Two Hearted this coming year  ;D

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Re: A new trend...?
« Reply #41 on: December 14, 2011, 08:38:03 AM »
are you saying that they can condition? or are you talking about empty cans? I can see how the cans require preasure inside to contribute to the structure though. makes sense.

They can, bottle, and keg condition most of their beers, especially the pale, Celebration, and Torpedo.
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Re: A new trend...?
« Reply #42 on: December 14, 2011, 08:40:22 AM »
Also, fermenting in the can?  It's been quite a few years since there has been yeast sediment on the bottom of my SN beers.  They are still bottle-conditioned?  (can-conditioned?)

I thought the same thing, so I asked when they brought it up.  Yes, they bottle (and keg) condition almost everything.  It gets partially force carbed, then filtered, and a fresh dose of yeast is added at packaging.
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Re: A new trend...?
« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2011, 10:08:59 AM »

 And opening a corked belgian style bottle is a ritual I always enjoy.


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I think the mystique of a corked Belgian is definitely inviting. Bottle conditioning is a unique process that may not be able to be reproduced in the can.

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Re: A new trend...?
« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2011, 11:15:57 AM »
If I looked in a cooler and saw my favorite craft beer in a can, I'd just look further. Glass for me, thank you.

Why? Not trying to prod, I'm genuinely interested, as I'm trying to figure out whether to go bottles or cans right now. I slide between the two about once every two weeks.

For me, it comes down to three letters... BPA.  And yeah, I've read all the arguments about how much you'd need to ingest to have issues but why ingest any when I have a choice?
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