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BB Sanitized. Time Limit?
« on: December 15, 2011, 07:40:44 AM »
Fellow Brewers,

I sanitized a BB last weekend in the hopes of brewing, but could not.  It's been sitting in my laundry room with an airlock for about a week.  All of the StarSan foam is now in a little puddle on the bottom.

Question is:  Do you think it's still sanitized and I can use this weekend or would you hit it again with the StarSan?  I have no problem with the extra work, but why bother if not necessary? 

Thanks in advace for your thoughts.

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Re: BB Sanitized. Time Limit?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2011, 07:45:34 AM »
Yes, I routinely store mine sanitized with some saran wrap over the lid held by a rubber band.
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Re: BB Sanitized. Time Limit?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2011, 07:46:14 AM »
I always presanitize my fermenters and leave them for weeks and they're ready to go. This works well with StarSan, but don't do this with Iodophor, unless it's just for a week or so. The stuff will grow mold after a while.

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Re: BB Sanitized. Time Limit?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2011, 07:46:43 AM »
As long as you have it capped or covered with foil or something it should still be sanitized. But if it makes you feel any better just hit it again for good measure.
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Re: BB Sanitized. Time Limit?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2011, 08:32:14 AM »
The stuff will grow mold after a while.

Huh? ???  Sounds like it wasn't cleaned and sanitized properly to begin with.
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Re: BB Sanitized. Time Limit?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2011, 08:33:15 AM »
I would *think* it's still sanitary, but I would sanitize it again anyway. For me, there's a lot of benefit for very little work.

This works well with StarSan, but don't do this with Iodophor, unless it's just for a week or so. The stuff will grow mold after a while.

If you have mold in the fermenter, how sanitary was it to begin with? I know that we can't exactly work in a clean room, but that would scare the hell out of me.
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Re: BB Sanitized. Time Limit?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2011, 09:11:10 AM »
Its probably fine, but is the 30 seconds it would take to resanitize that valuable?
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Re: BB Sanitized. Time Limit?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2011, 09:21:13 AM »
I would *think* it's still sanitary, but I would sanitize it again anyway. For me, there's a lot of benefit for very little work.

That's the way I look at it, too.
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Re: BB Sanitized. Time Limit?
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2011, 11:31:21 AM »
I do my cornies like that, but also keep starsan solution around at all times. Just rinse it again with the starsan and get on with the day.
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Re: BB Sanitized. Time Limit?
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2011, 12:07:52 PM »
The stuff will grow mold after a while.

Huh? ???  Sounds like it wasn't cleaned and sanitized properly to begin with.

I agree with you, but I can store StarSan in a growler for months and it's fine. I do that with Iodophor and I get something that at least looks like mold. I've had this happen in growlers as well as vinyl tubing I left Iodophor in. Seems to me that if it kills everything, even if it loses it's strength and the container is covered, nothing should grow.

As I said, this has happened more than once, but never with StarSan.

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Re: BB Sanitized. Time Limit?
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2011, 01:55:37 PM »
The stuff will grow mold after a while.

Huh? ???  Sounds like it wasn't cleaned and sanitized properly to begin with.

I agree with you, but I can store StarSan in a growler for months and it's fine. I do that with Iodophor and I get something that at least looks like mold. I've had this happen in growlers as well as vinyl tubing I left Iodophor in. Seems to me that if it kills everything, even if it loses it's strength and the container is covered, nothing should grow.

As I said, this has happened more than once, but never with StarSan.

it's possible you have some idophor resistant mold around. I keep a spray bottle of idophor (out of any direct light) for quite a while without noticing anything growing in it. I expect at some point that my 'brewery' will develop some bugs resistant to the idophor and I will switch to star san.
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Re: BB Sanitized. Time Limit?
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2011, 01:59:22 PM »
The usual rule of thumb is to clean when done.  And sanitize before use. 

These are "sanitizers" not "sterilizers" so there will be bugs left behind that can start to reproduce before your next use.
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Re: BB Sanitized. Time Limit?
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2011, 02:30:57 PM »
I agree with you, but I can store StarSan in a growler for months and it's fine. I do that with Iodophor and I get something that at least looks like mold.

Is it sealed? Once diluted, the iodine in an iodophor is able to sublimate, reducing its effectiveness pretty quickly. That would also apply to a relatively small amount of an iodophor in a sealed container with a lot of headspace.

When in doubt, a quick visual check should tell you what's what. If the solution is no longer yellow-orange, the free iodine content is too low to be effective.

I store iodophors in an airtight container for months, reusing them until they pick up particulates or lose their color. No problems yet, touch wood.
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Re: BB Sanitized. Time Limit?
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2011, 04:09:30 PM »
I agree with you, but I can store StarSan in a growler for months and it's fine. I do that with Iodophor and I get something that at least looks like mold.

Is it sealed? Once diluted, the iodine in an iodophor is able to sublimate, reducing its effectiveness pretty quickly. That would also apply to a relatively small amount of an iodophor in a sealed container with a lot of headspace.

When in doubt, a quick visual check should tell you what's what. If the solution is no longer yellow-orange, the free iodine content is too low to be effective.

I store iodophors in an airtight container for months, reusing them until they pick up particulates or lose their color. No problems yet, touch wood.

In most cases there has been a lo9t of  head space, but so was there in the StarSan conatiners. I still use Iodophor sometimes, but I mainly use Starsan now.

Speaking of Iodophor, I watched a Dirty Jobs episode the other night were they sanitized fish eggs in a hatchery with the stuff.

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Re: BB Sanitized. Time Limit?
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2011, 04:15:54 PM »
I agree with you, but I can store StarSan in a growler for months and it's fine. I do that with Iodophor and I get something that at least looks like mold.

Is it sealed? Once diluted, the iodine in an iodophor is able to sublimate, reducing its effectiveness pretty quickly. That would also apply to a relatively small amount of an iodophor in a sealed container with a lot of headspace.

When in doubt, a quick visual check should tell you what's what. If the solution is no longer yellow-orange, the free iodine content is too low to be effective.

I store iodophors in an airtight container for months, reusing them until they pick up particulates or lose their color. No problems yet, touch wood.

In most cases there has been a lo9t of  head space, but so was there in the StarSan conatiners. I still use Iodophor sometimes, but I mainly use Starsan now.
Speaking of Iodophor, I watched a Dirty Jobs episode the other night were they sanitized fish eggs in a hatchery with the stuff.

ahh but idophore evaporates out of the water and is nutralized by bright lights while star san will only be rendered ineffective by pH changes. at least that's how I understand it.
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