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Re: 1st Kit, fermenting kind of cold
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2012, 08:13:27 AM »
you have doubled your carbonation level from a sane and safe 2.4ish volumes to a worrisome 4.8ish.

3.8ish - there's about 1.0 vol already in the beer based on his temperatures. Not that that makes a huge difference.
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Re: 1st Kit, fermenting kind of cold
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2012, 05:01:59 PM »
Either I took a bad reading the other day or it's still going.  1.014 today @ 59F.  The last time I measured, I starsanned the measurement tube and it was quite frothy at the top and that made it hard to read.  I didn't do that this time since the tube is quite clean and the beer is just going into my dirty mouth.  Might well explain the change in taste  :-[.  More hoppy than before.  I will check again on the weekend.

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Re: 1st Kit, fermenting kind of cold
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2012, 03:08:36 PM »
Still at 1.14 today, I'm guessing the 1.16 reading was wrong.  I was planning on bottling the batch later tonight, and I see the kit is supplied with 5 oz of "priming sugar".  I assume this is corn sugar.  5 oz seems like a lot, I was thinking of cutting down to 3.6 or 4 oz.  I will not be here for the 2nd week of conditioning.  Too bad I won't get to sample them along the way.  I was going to put one case of bottles in a cooler, and the other in my laundry sink with plastic over top of it just in case of disaster.

Anyway, is it a bad idea to reduce the amount of priming sugar so much?

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Re: 1st Kit, fermenting kind of cold
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2012, 03:45:51 PM »
Here is an Awesome carb calculator that I use for all of my calculations.

http://hbd.org/cgi-bin/recipator/recipator/carbonation.html?14356443#tag

Based on the numbers you gave in this thread, 5oz of corn sugar will provide about 2.9 volumes of CO2, which might be a bit high depending on what you like, but nowhere near bottle exploding range.
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Re: 1st Kit, fermenting kind of cold
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2012, 03:55:08 PM »
Nice link thanks!

I was wanting to shoot a little lower since I've only had a couple of weeks in primary, and I'll be leaving for 10 days 5 days from now.  Although it appears finished, I'm still a bit paranoid.

What is bottle exploding range?

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Re: 1st Kit, fermenting kind of cold
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2012, 04:30:56 PM »
What is bottle exploding range?

>4 vol.

The amount of carbonation shouldn't be affected by how long the beer's been in the fermenter. Unless it hasn't reached FG - but at two weeks and 1.014 SG you can be sure that isn't the case.
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Re: 1st Kit, fermenting kind of cold
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2012, 04:46:13 PM »
Congrats on getting you first kit going.

 Reading the post about the FG and length of time...let me put this in you head.

 We don't make beer. Nature makes beer. We bring fermentable sugars together with yeast in the correct enviroment and then wait for fermentation to complete. There are things you can do to speed it up and things you can do to slow it down but none are good. Let it tell you when it is finished. If you try to break the rules then nature has a way of putting things back on track; bottle bombs, fusels, blown airlocks, etc....
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Re: 1st Kit, fermenting kind of cold
« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2012, 11:51:47 AM »
I carbonate past 4 volumes all the time for hefe-weizens. But please do be careful. YMMV. December 2010 I accidentally doubled the sugar for my hefe-weizen. The bottles didn't explode and neither were they gushers. Very fizzy though. Come bottling time I always pour my first beer after weighing out the sugar. ;)
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Re: 1st Kit, fermenting kind of cold
« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2012, 12:27:07 PM »
I carbonate past 4 volumes all the time for hefe-weizens. But please do be careful. YMMV. December 2010 I accidentally doubled the sugar for my hefe-weizen. The bottles didn't explode and neither were they gushers. Very fizzy though. Come bottling time I always pour my first beer after weighing out the sugar. ;)

I am sure that modern bottles are rated quite high. The only time I had bottle bombs was when I bottled a RIS to soon and even then the only bottles that blew, after closer examination, had flaws in the glass. I started sterilizing my bottles in the oven after that and I discovered that a weak bottle will shatter in the oven as well. so I call that two birds, sterile bottles (until you open the oven door, then just sanitary) and the culling of weaklings.
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Re: 1st Kit, fermenting kind of cold
« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2012, 03:46:11 PM »
Thanks for the guidelines!

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Re: 1st Kit, fermenting kind of cold
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2012, 05:27:57 PM »
So I bottled half the batch in dishwasher sanitized bottles and half in oven sanitized bottles.  The dishwasher must have had some residual rinse aid as there were no bubbles when bottling, but the oven bottles had some.  I've tried one of each after they conditioned for a little more than a couple of weeks, and they both seem to produce plenty of head.  Conditioning temperature was likely around 65F which is about as warm as I could do while keeping temperature from fluctuating.  Carbonation seems fine to me.

The beer tastes very hoppy compared to what the SG checks tasted like.  I altered the Brewer's Best instructions with advice from Palmer's How to Brew by adding half of the finishing hops at T-30 minutes instead of toward the end, so I suppose that's why it tastes especially hoppy.  The beer looks red (like a red ale ought to) and relatively clear, but I don't have a good baseline for homebrews yet.

Also, after cleaning, my PE fermenter still smells strongly of hops.  Is that normal or did I do a crappy wash job?  It definitely looks clean.

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Re: 1st Kit, fermenting kind of cold
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2012, 12:40:56 PM »
Soak it with PBW or even oxyclean. Use the proper amounts and the stains and smell will be gone. I do it every couple batches.
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