Thursday I brewed a hefeweizen. I did 113F for 10 minutes, 122 for 10 minutes, 145 for 30 pulling the the thick mash about 10 in. It boiled for about 10 minutes to bring the mash to 158. 20 minutes later I pulled thin mash, boiled it 10 minutes and used it for a mash out. I pitched a 6 hour old simple 1L Wy3068 starter into the air saturated 20L of wort, stirred it in well and took back 1L for another starter.
Yesterday I made a dunkelweizen with nearly the same mash schedule except it rested at 113 for 20 minutes. I used the 1L I stole from the hefeweizen for the starter.
I hope to get good banana and some clove, but I think 1L may make for too high of pitch rate. The hefeweizen seems to have stopped fermenting today. It blow off a little yesterday.