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how to darken up my Bohemian Pils
« on: January 28, 2012, 07:31:57 AM »
My Bohemian Pils recipe is from Jamil's book, and currently stands at 18.0 lbs Best Malz Pilsner and 1.1 lbs Weyermann CaraFoam/CaraPils for a 10gal batch.   I did a Hochkurz double decoction based on Kai's schedule (http://braukaiser.com/wiki/index.php?title=Decoction_Mashing#Hochkurz_Double_Decoction) - doughed-in at 144F (skipping the protein rest as Kai mentions many German brewers do), did a first decoction to get it to 158F, and then a second to get it to 170. Basically hit the curve on Kai's graph pretty closely.  I boiled each decoction about 15 minutes.   

Anyways the beer is clearly too light yellow for a Bo Pils... compared to a Pilsner Urquell it is a couple degrees off.  How do I get it a little more rich golden  and not so pale yellow?  Boil the decoctions longer? Use some kind of caramel malt or Munich/Vienna addition (I can imagine the answer is NO on that but.....)  Any tips would be appreciated.

(One other thing I was thinking about trying on the next batch is to have the first rest around 146, not 144, to get my FG a little higher than the 1.012 my last batch hit. OG was 1.055. Sound reasonable?)

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Re: how to darken up my Bohemian Pils
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2012, 08:05:24 AM »
I like a little (maybe 4-6 oz for a 5 gallon batch) Caramunich in my BoPils. I do it for flavor, but it contributes nicely to the color as well.
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Re: how to darken up my Bohemian Pils
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2012, 08:40:39 AM »
Sinimar?   ;D
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Re: how to darken up my Bohemian Pils
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2012, 09:06:38 AM »
Boil the decoction longer.  Maybe 25 min.

PU let's the wort drop from the tun to a grant, and the HSA is said to darken the beer.
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Re: how to darken up my Bohemian Pils
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2012, 09:33:18 AM »
Sinimar?   ;D

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Re: how to darken up my Bohemian Pils
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2012, 09:55:13 AM »
Well, if you are comparing it to the Pilsner Urquell that gets shipped here you could store it warm and let it get oxidized?  That will certainly darken it up a bit ;D  That being said, if it tastes good, I wouldn't worry about it.  The guidelines say very pale gold to deep gold and an SRM of 3.5-6.  So there is some wiggle room.  I would do a longer decoction or add a little melanoidin malt if color is a big concern.  Personally, I don't like any crystal malts in my pilsners.  But, that is just my own preference.

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Re: how to darken up my Bohemian Pils
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2012, 02:18:04 PM »
you could boil longer as well. a 90 minute boil is recommended with pilsner malt anyway but I often to a 120 minute boil to get a little extra color when I don't want to use other malts or dark sugar/sugar syrups to get that extra color.

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Re: how to darken up my Bohemian Pils
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2012, 06:15:25 PM »
I like a little (maybe 4-6 oz for a 5 gallon batch) Caramunich in my BoPils. I do it for flavor, but it contributes nicely to the color as well.

Cara munich ....? In a Bo Pils?????

I'd add a pound or two of munich. I do that when I want to darken up my kolsch.
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Re: how to darken up my Bohemian Pils
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2012, 06:51:42 PM »
I like a little (maybe 4-6 oz for a 5 gallon batch) Caramunich in my BoPils. I do it for flavor, but it contributes nicely to the color as well.

Cara munich ....? In a Bo Pils?????

I'd add a pound or two of munich. I do that when I want to darken up my kolsch.

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I use a pound of Dark Munich for a 5 gallon recipe.
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Re: how to darken up my Bohemian Pils
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2012, 09:14:33 PM »
I use 2 lbs of light munich in my Bo Pils.  I'm doing it more for flavor contribution than color though. 
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Re: how to darken up my Bohemian Pils
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2012, 07:12:30 AM »
I like a little (maybe 4-6 oz for a 5 gallon batch) Caramunich in my BoPils. I do it for flavor, but it contributes nicely to the color as well.

Cara munich ....? In a Bo Pils?????

I'd add a pound or two of munich. I do that when I want to darken up my kolsch.
I know, it sounds out of place. I tried it after Thirsty_Monk had suggested it in another thread and was surprised how much I like the results, so I've been using it ever since. I think the trick is to add just enough to add a bit of complexity, but not enough to really notice that it's there.
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Re: how to darken up my Bohemian Pils
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2012, 08:48:48 AM »
Now cat is out of the bag :)

Weyernmann bohemian pilsner malt is little bit darker than best pilsner malt.
Traditionally you would use only pilsner malt.
color comes from longer boil 2+ hours and decoctions.
You should boil decaction at least 30 minutes.
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Re: how to darken up my Bohemian Pils
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2012, 11:04:32 AM »
So it looks like a consensus is building...

I'll try by adding 1# of Munich to my 10gal batch (I guess this would replace 1# of the Pils malt?) 

I'll also boil the 2 decoctions for 25-30 mins, instead of 10-15 mins. 

I'm already doing a 90 min boil, so I'll leave that rather than bump to 120 min. Don't want to change to many things all at once.

Sound like a plan?

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Re: how to darken up my Bohemian Pils
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2012, 11:11:53 AM »
Don't go too far at first Red.

I did an all Pils (12lb Weyermann and 5 lb Best)  Helles on Friday.  A Hochhurz with a half hour vigorous boil of the thick part.  I am wondering if it will be too dark, as the boil samples were darker than my regular Pils.
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Re: how to darken up my Bohemian Pils
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2012, 11:56:53 AM »
Granted I do not do decoctions or brew pilsners, but in my Kölsches, I use a small amount of Melanoidin or Aromatic malt to push it into the 3-4 SRM range and very subtly increase the malt character. I suspect the same could be done with a BoPils.